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Maps made of People: On the legacy and lessons of Chicago by Night #ttrpg #vtm https://tasker.land/2026/01/22/maps-made-of-people/

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  • CharnockP Charnock

    @Taskerland One of the interesting aspects of "maps made of people" is just how much academic research was done (particularly in the 1960s) into sociograms, and mapping models of interactions, and I wonder how many of those would actually be useful for notation and dynamics in games now. I think we're very quick to look to computers to create solutions that might simply be nicer on a piece of paper.

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    @Printdevil I can't parse those social maps easily. I'd probably find them easier if the social map were an overlay onto the space: big Ventrue in the centre, childer round the office spaces, and so on.

    It limits kindred beef to physical proximity but that'd make sense.

    Or to be more feudal, all land belongs to the prince, three childer lease thirds of the city, and so on, with sub-tennants all the way down.
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      @Printdevil I can't parse those social maps easily. I'd probably find them easier if the social map were an overlay onto the space: big Ventrue in the centre, childer round the office spaces, and so on.

      It limits kindred beef to physical proximity but that'd make sense.

      Or to be more feudal, all land belongs to the prince, three childer lease thirds of the city, and so on, with sub-tennants all the way down.
      @Taskerland

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      Isn't that because you can only walk sideways though?

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        Isn't that because you can only walk sideways though?

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        @Printdevil vampires only snip sideways, according to the card game. Maybe Methuselahs are crabs?
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          @Printdevil vampires only snip sideways, according to the card game. Maybe Methuselahs are crabs?
          @Taskerland

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          Methuselahs are Crabs is a very early nineties guitar led band name.

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            Methuselahs are Crabs is a very early nineties guitar led band name.

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              @Printdevil @malin @Taskerland according to most VTM write ups Methuselahs are Crabby.

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                @Printdevil @malin @Taskerland according to most VTM write ups Methuselahs are Crabby.

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                Their hearing aids probably play weird boot up music jingles.

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                  Their hearing aids probably play weird boot up music jingles.

                  @Alexander_Anotherskip_Davis @malin @Taskerland

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                  @Printdevil @malin @Taskerland with bubbles.

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                    Maps made of People: On the legacy and lessons of Chicago by Night #ttrpg #vtm https://tasker.land/2026/01/22/maps-made-of-people/

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                      @SJohnRoss Hahaha you are always horrified!

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                        @SJohnRoss Hahaha you are always horrified!

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                        @SJohnRoss Where did I go wrong?

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                          @SJohnRoss Hahaha you are always horrified!

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                            @SJohnRoss Where did I go wrong?

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                              @SJohnRoss So I drank the Kool Aid... Fair comment. So who did defining a place in terms of people before Chicago by Night?

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                                  @SJohnRoss So I drank the Kool Aid... Fair comment. So who did defining a place in terms of people before Chicago by Night?

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                                        @SJohnRoss My sense is that while the amount of detail lavished on NPCs waxed and wained between systems and modules, they were generally 'people in specific places' prior to CbN.

                                        I will grant you that I am not sure WW realised what they had done and later By Night books (even the good ones) walked the idea back but I think it was a fresh approach at the time that has been half-forgotten since.

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