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Spoke to my friend who lives near St. Cloud, MN yesterday.

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  • ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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    Artemis
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    Spoke to my friend who lives near St. Cloud, MN yesterday. Shit is awful there too. They also have a large Somali population so ICE is there harassing, brutalizing, & kidnapping people.

    They said it was weird being scared to go get coffee from the convenience store like they have done every weekend for years, because who fucking knows? You don't have to be doing fucking *anything*. Just have them think you're following them, & they'll be dragging you out of your car.

    This is so fucked.

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    • ArtemisA Artemis

      My little bro decided to confront the fam (really our older siblings, but in the context of the family group chat) last night with "here's what's really happening in my neighborhood in Minneapolis."

      Haven't heard much from any of them except for oldest bro saying he was at a work event & would have to wait until he was off work to respond.

      I know oldest bro has a capacity for care & empathy. He's hoping he actually accesses it—for the sake of a relationship with little bro at least.

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      Artemis
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      Maybe if he does prove to be opening up to reality a little bit, I'll see what I can do to ease a transition.

      I think it's really hard for men like my brother because if they admitted that something happening outside the walls of their community matters, it would mean feeling the obligation to *do something*.

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      • ArtemisA Artemis

        Spoke to my friend who lives near St. Cloud, MN yesterday. Shit is awful there too. They also have a large Somali population so ICE is there harassing, brutalizing, & kidnapping people.

        They said it was weird being scared to go get coffee from the convenience store like they have done every weekend for years, because who fucking knows? You don't have to be doing fucking *anything*. Just have them think you're following them, & they'll be dragging you out of your car.

        This is so fucked.

        ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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        Artemis
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        My little bro decided to confront the fam (really our older siblings, but in the context of the family group chat) last night with "here's what's really happening in my neighborhood in Minneapolis."

        Haven't heard much from any of them except for oldest bro saying he was at a work event & would have to wait until he was off work to respond.

        I know oldest bro has a capacity for care & empathy. He's hoping he actually accesses it—for the sake of a relationship with little bro at least.

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        • ArtemisA Artemis

          Maybe if he does prove to be opening up to reality a little bit, I'll see what I can do to ease a transition.

          I think it's really hard for men like my brother because if they admitted that something happening outside the walls of their community matters, it would mean feeling the obligation to *do something*.

          ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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          Artemis
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          I was listening to a YouTuber I like who said she thinks some men have a hard time acknowledging the violence of the present situation because they have been taught to think of themselves as "protectors" & "warriors", so if something this cruel & brutal was actually happening, they are scared they would have to *do* something.

          But here's the thing. I do need my big bro to do things, but it's not "go out & get yourself killed." He's got a very large family. He needs to take care of his kids.

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          • ArtemisA Artemis

            I was listening to a YouTuber I like who said she thinks some men have a hard time acknowledging the violence of the present situation because they have been taught to think of themselves as "protectors" & "warriors", so if something this cruel & brutal was actually happening, they are scared they would have to *do* something.

            But here's the thing. I do need my big bro to do things, but it's not "go out & get yourself killed." He's got a very large family. He needs to take care of his kids.

            ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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            Artemis
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            So who knows? Maybe if he starts to be open to the conversation, I can help him see that his moral obligation is not to "be a manly man" but to find ways to care for people, support them, & to *tell the truth*.

            When we try to confront people with difficult realities we also need to help them figure out how they can respond. Because they don't fucking know what to do next. If they admit "this is really happening", they are scared & unsure about what that would actually mean for them.

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            • ArtemisA Artemis

              So who knows? Maybe if he starts to be open to the conversation, I can help him see that his moral obligation is not to "be a manly man" but to find ways to care for people, support them, & to *tell the truth*.

              When we try to confront people with difficult realities we also need to help them figure out how they can respond. Because they don't fucking know what to do next. If they admit "this is really happening", they are scared & unsure about what that would actually mean for them.

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              There is a part of me that feels very frustrated by that, because I have had to confront a lot of difficult truths to get where I am, & while there have been many helpful voices & guiding lights, I was the one deciding to push forward. I didn't need to be told to find the truth & figure out what I'm supposed to do about it.

              I just did it.

              But some other people are just fucking different from me. Sometimes they need help, & having made this journey myself maybe I have something to help them.

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              • ArtemisA Artemis

                There is a part of me that feels very frustrated by that, because I have had to confront a lot of difficult truths to get where I am, & while there have been many helpful voices & guiding lights, I was the one deciding to push forward. I didn't need to be told to find the truth & figure out what I'm supposed to do about it.

                I just did it.

                But some other people are just fucking different from me. Sometimes they need help, & having made this journey myself maybe I have something to help them.

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                Artemis
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                I may be angry about it sometimes. Angry & frustrated & fucking hurt when it's someone I love. Little bro's anger is what led him to actually confronting people directly. Fantastic.

                But what comes next? If something fucking good happens for once, what's the change I want to see? I'm going to have to dig deep & find how to help him find perspective.

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                • ArtemisA Artemis

                  I may be angry about it sometimes. Angry & frustrated & fucking hurt when it's someone I love. Little bro's anger is what led him to actually confronting people directly. Fantastic.

                  But what comes next? If something fucking good happens for once, what's the change I want to see? I'm going to have to dig deep & find how to help him find perspective.

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                  And maybe little bro & I can tag team this.

                  I dunno. There's a good chance nothing changes.

                  But there is also possibility. It may be time to lean hard on big bro & see what happens.

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                  • ArtemisA Artemis

                    We are hitting up the group chat at this point. Little bro is sharing what's happening in his city & how dangerous it is to even help people, because ICE follows people helping to find the people they are trying to help.

                    So Minneapolis residents have to operate very secretly & carefully just to get food to people who need it.

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                    So little bro is sharing that, & I'm sharing that if ICE does a push in Milwaukee of the kind they are doing in MN, then ICE will come to my street, & I will go outside & take videos & be loud & difficult, & I said if I die for the same reason that Renee Good did (just trying to help people), then I am at peace with that.

                    We're pushing & trying to make it real for them.

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                    • ArtemisA Artemis

                      And maybe little bro & I can tag team this.

                      I dunno. There's a good chance nothing changes.

                      But there is also possibility. It may be time to lean hard on big bro & see what happens.

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                      Artemis
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                      We are hitting up the group chat at this point. Little bro is sharing what's happening in his city & how dangerous it is to even help people, because ICE follows people helping to find the people they are trying to help.

                      So Minneapolis residents have to operate very secretly & carefully just to get food to people who need it.

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                      • ArtemisA Artemis

                        And maybe little bro & I can tag team this.

                        I dunno. There's a good chance nothing changes.

                        But there is also possibility. It may be time to lean hard on big bro & see what happens.

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                        @artemis I was hoping to see a positive update about this soon, but it is probably more realistic to expect any change to be in slow motion.

                        I have all of these Trump types in my life, through my partner, and I can see good values and empathy in them, distorted by a lot of false facts and bad ideology. It feels like I'm seeing them get truly shaken by this past year, though.

                        I remain hopeful.

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                        • ArtemisA Artemis

                          We are hitting up the group chat at this point. Little bro is sharing what's happening in his city & how dangerous it is to even help people, because ICE follows people helping to find the people they are trying to help.

                          So Minneapolis residents have to operate very secretly & carefully just to get food to people who need it.

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                          @artemis Ask your bro if any aid group accepts Cardano (ada) crypto donations. I have a little and as a nonbeliever in crypto I feel like transmitting it up north is the best thing I could do with it.

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                          • ArtemisA Artemis

                            So little bro is sharing that, & I'm sharing that if ICE does a push in Milwaukee of the kind they are doing in MN, then ICE will come to my street, & I will go outside & take videos & be loud & difficult, & I said if I die for the same reason that Renee Good did (just trying to help people), then I am at peace with that.

                            We're pushing & trying to make it real for them.

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                            And I'm not kidding: if they do the scale of operation they are doing in Minneapolis, ICE *will* show up right outside my door. There is a fucking international school across the street from me.

                            And even if they don't do that scale of operation, there is still a damn good chance of ICE thugs right in front of my house.

                            So I'm telling the fam: I'm not trying to die, but I'm fucking willing to, & there's a good fucking possibility I will be in a situation where that is a genuine risk.

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                            • ArtemisA Artemis

                              And I'm not kidding: if they do the scale of operation they are doing in Minneapolis, ICE *will* show up right outside my door. There is a fucking international school across the street from me.

                              And even if they don't do that scale of operation, there is still a damn good chance of ICE thugs right in front of my house.

                              So I'm telling the fam: I'm not trying to die, but I'm fucking willing to, & there's a good fucking possibility I will be in a situation where that is a genuine risk.

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                              Right now it's an "if" ICE shows up right here on my street, but there is a possible scenario where that "if" could turn into just a matter of "when".

                              And I definitely want my brothers & sisters to understand that & what it has the potential to mean. I'm not being hysterical. I'm not making trouble or coming up with far-fetched scenarios.

                              I'm just saying. If thugs show up here to hurt my neighbors or the kids at the school, well, I wouldn't have a choice.

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                              • ArtemisA Artemis

                                And I'm not kidding: if they do the scale of operation they are doing in Minneapolis, ICE *will* show up right outside my door. There is a fucking international school across the street from me.

                                And even if they don't do that scale of operation, there is still a damn good chance of ICE thugs right in front of my house.

                                So I'm telling the fam: I'm not trying to die, but I'm fucking willing to, & there's a good fucking possibility I will be in a situation where that is a genuine risk.

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                                @artemis the solidarity is much appreciated, and also: I just want to highlight that we are doing this in MN and, overwhelmingly, NOT dying, because a) we are protecting each other by sharing the risk, and b) although these goon are incredibly dangerous, they are also, on the whole, a bunch of worthless putzes who flee at the sound of a whistle, and would rather sit warm behind their tinted windows (presumably dicking around on their phones) than actually get out of their cars and do shit

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                                • ArtemisA Artemis

                                  I was listening to a YouTuber I like who said she thinks some men have a hard time acknowledging the violence of the present situation because they have been taught to think of themselves as "protectors" & "warriors", so if something this cruel & brutal was actually happening, they are scared they would have to *do* something.

                                  But here's the thing. I do need my big bro to do things, but it's not "go out & get yourself killed." He's got a very large family. He needs to take care of his kids.

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                                  @artemis I do think that hero mentality pushed so hard by media in the last decades plays a significant role in why so many people (not just men, but especially men) have such a hard time being able to believe the atrocities happening

                                  Peter Parker syndrome. They imagine themselves powerful and thus responsible. Acknowledgement requires breaking that fantasy in some way

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                                  • ArtemisA Artemis

                                    And I'm not kidding: if they do the scale of operation they are doing in Minneapolis, ICE *will* show up right outside my door. There is a fucking international school across the street from me.

                                    And even if they don't do that scale of operation, there is still a damn good chance of ICE thugs right in front of my house.

                                    So I'm telling the fam: I'm not trying to die, but I'm fucking willing to, & there's a good fucking possibility I will be in a situation where that is a genuine risk.

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                                    Marje, a humane bean
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                                    @artemis
                                    I've had to tell my family this, too.

                                    Yes, I am being careful, but no, I can't be "safe"

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                                    • FeznanderF Feznander

                                      @artemis the solidarity is much appreciated, and also: I just want to highlight that we are doing this in MN and, overwhelmingly, NOT dying, because a) we are protecting each other by sharing the risk, and b) although these goon are incredibly dangerous, they are also, on the whole, a bunch of worthless putzes who flee at the sound of a whistle, and would rather sit warm behind their tinted windows (presumably dicking around on their phones) than actually get out of their cars and do shit

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                                      @feznander
                                      Thanks & yes to all that. I ain't planning on dying. There are a lot of useful things I would like to do that aren't "being a martyr".

                                      Y'all in Minnesota are fucking doing the work & protecting each other, & that's how it's done. I'm working on getting some more practical information & connections to folks in my area.

                                      I freaking love that my MOM in Iowa, my used-to-be-right-wing mom is sending me resources on community defense.

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                                      • ArtemisA Artemis

                                        Spoke to my friend who lives near St. Cloud, MN yesterday. Shit is awful there too. They also have a large Somali population so ICE is there harassing, brutalizing, & kidnapping people.

                                        They said it was weird being scared to go get coffee from the convenience store like they have done every weekend for years, because who fucking knows? You don't have to be doing fucking *anything*. Just have them think you're following them, & they'll be dragging you out of your car.

                                        This is so fucked.

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                                        Billiglarper
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                                        @artemis

                                        Yeah, this sucks. Wishing you a lot of strength, and hopefully you might get through to your older brother. 🫶

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                                        • ArtemisA Artemis

                                          @feznander
                                          Thanks & yes to all that. I ain't planning on dying. There are a lot of useful things I would like to do that aren't "being a martyr".

                                          Y'all in Minnesota are fucking doing the work & protecting each other, & that's how it's done. I'm working on getting some more practical information & connections to folks in my area.

                                          I freaking love that my MOM in Iowa, my used-to-be-right-wing mom is sending me resources on community defense.

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                                          @feznander
                                          But in terms of wake-up call to my siblings, I hope it's helpful to just let them know: "hey, I may be about to start doing the riskiest shit I have ever done, & I want y'all to understand that there are a lot of scenarios where I will not choose my physical safety over helping my neighbors."

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