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  • S scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    Cisgender means not transgender. Those are binary antonyms.

    If you change your gender from what it was assigned at birth, you are transgender and therefore not cisgender.

    To complicate things, if you are transgender, you were never cis.

    None of this has anything to do with genitals other than that is generally one of the main inputs the doctor who assigns your gender at birth uses. It’s like being assigned white or black upon birth by a doctor, they just use their best guess and often take liberties and sometimes even make changes and those changes turn out to be wrong… They should not be making assumptions or decisions or changes unless strictly necessary, which they are often not.

    So a god whose existence at birth is fluid, would be, like the rest of us, whatever they were. But, for ease of language, likely fall under they/them, depending on reference purpose, like a wiki or their own desired image or role.

    You would have to ask them.

    Just like everybody else.

    When in doubt, just ask.

    In general, though, I think most gods are above gender, as gender is a human social construct and gods are… Well, those things are dumb and don’t apply because gods usually don’t give a shit and don’t play by your silly little self imposed made up rules like who makes house and who works and who is more courageous and who proposes or whatever garbage.

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    squaresinger@lemmy.world
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    For humans, yes. For other species, not so much.

    A clownfish isn’t trans just because it changes its sex. In fact, it’s cis all the time, because its the biological sex that changes.

    If the character naturally, natively changes their sex, they aren’t trans either.

    Humans cannot change their sex, they can only change their gender. That’s what trans people do.

    If an animal or a being can change their sex, they are still cis while doing so (unless they change their sex and then change their gender to a different one at the same time).

    But the concept of trans just plainly doesn’t apply to many species. Some have more than two sexes, some have more than one sex at a time.

    When talking about other species, sex is really not a solid thing at all.

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    • EnerhpozyksE Enerhpozyks

      Nope, cis mean you did not changed your gender, it has nothing to do with your genitals. Corellon change gender quite a lot.

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      squaresinger@lemmy.world
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      #20

      A clownfish naturally changes its biological sex. That’s what it does. Is it trans or cis?

      A snail has both sexes at the same time. Is it trans or cis?

      Or does the concept of cis/trans just not make any sense at all in a species that doesn’t have two static sexes and doesn’t naturally change between them?

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      • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

        A clownfish naturally changes its biological sex. That’s what it does. Is it trans or cis?

        A snail has both sexes at the same time. Is it trans or cis?

        Or does the concept of cis/trans just not make any sense at all in a species that doesn’t have two static sexes and doesn’t naturally change between them?

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        Enerhpozyks
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        Gender has nothing to do with sex.

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        • R railcar8095@lemmy.world

          What’s the show? I think I saw it but I don’t remember this part. And I don’t remember the name so I can’t look of there’s a new season.

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          soup@lemmy.world
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          Vox Machina, and there is a new season.

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          • EnerhpozyksE Enerhpozyks

            Gender has nothing to do with sex.

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            squaresinger@lemmy.world
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            #23

            Exactly. So if some being can change it’s sex at will, is that cis or trans?

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            • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

              For humans, yes. For other species, not so much.

              A clownfish isn’t trans just because it changes its sex. In fact, it’s cis all the time, because its the biological sex that changes.

              If the character naturally, natively changes their sex, they aren’t trans either.

              Humans cannot change their sex, they can only change their gender. That’s what trans people do.

              If an animal or a being can change their sex, they are still cis while doing so (unless they change their sex and then change their gender to a different one at the same time).

              But the concept of trans just plainly doesn’t apply to many species. Some have more than two sexes, some have more than one sex at a time.

              When talking about other species, sex is really not a solid thing at all.

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              happyfrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              I agree with most of what you say, but human can absolutely change their sex. What do you think hrt does?

              Sex is a collection of biological realities, all of which lands you somewhere on the sex binomial spectrum. Some things are impossible to change (chromosomes and dna), while others are very much possible (ratio of hormones or sexual organs).

              I like this chart:

              https://static.wikitide.net/lgbtawiki/4/4a/Sex-spectrum.png

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                phegan@lemmy.world
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                don’t these motherfuckers get tired of being mad about everything being woke. I can’t imagine living my life so unhappy that I am angered by the single though of a trans person in media.

                These clowns need to get a fucking life.

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                • P phegan@lemmy.world

                  don’t these motherfuckers get tired of being mad about everything being woke. I can’t imagine living my life so unhappy that I am angered by the single though of a trans person in media.

                  These clowns need to get a fucking life.

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                  revan343@lemmy.ca
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                  On the contrary, they love being mad

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                  • H happyfrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    I agree with most of what you say, but human can absolutely change their sex. What do you think hrt does?

                    Sex is a collection of biological realities, all of which lands you somewhere on the sex binomial spectrum. Some things are impossible to change (chromosomes and dna), while others are very much possible (ratio of hormones or sexual organs).

                    I like this chart:

                    https://static.wikitide.net/lgbtawiki/4/4a/Sex-spectrum.png

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                    squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                    As you said, it’s impossible (at least for now) to change all of these biological realities. HRT is good for what it does, but it doesn’t fully change one from one end of your spectrum to the other.

                    Biologically, the only real purpose for a biological sex is procreation. Afaik, there’s currently no way for someone who was born as a woman (left end of your spectrum) to procreate as a man (right end of the spectrum) or vice-versa.

                    The rest is, to me, gender, not sex.

                    (And yes, one could argue that e.g. infertile people or people after hysterectomy/orchiectomy don’t have a biological gender, but then again, apart from procreation and maybe some medical stuff, the biological sex doesn’t really matter and everything else is really just gender.

                    And isn’t that also the basis of the concept of being trans? That the biological sex isn’t an imperative/doesn’t really matter and that thus you can change your gender?)

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                      Magiilaro
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                      Correlon is a god who uses avatars of both Sex and/or Gender. I don’t see how that makes him trans in any way, because his avatars are not much more as if a player creates a character with a different Sex and/or Gender for his interaction in the gameworld. That doesn’t makes the player trans. So how does it make Correlon trans?

                      Have I missed anything in the lore? Please don’t missunderstand me, I don’t want to speak against trans or want to be seen as anti-trans in any way. I literally really don’t understand this part and just ask for information or clarification.

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                      • D Magiilaro

                        Correlon is a god who uses avatars of both Sex and/or Gender. I don’t see how that makes him trans in any way, because his avatars are not much more as if a player creates a character with a different Sex and/or Gender for his interaction in the gameworld. That doesn’t makes the player trans. So how does it make Correlon trans?

                        Have I missed anything in the lore? Please don’t missunderstand me, I don’t want to speak against trans or want to be seen as anti-trans in any way. I literally really don’t understand this part and just ask for information or clarification.

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                        dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                        If you’re not cis you’re trans, including genderfluids.

                        Generally speaking a god shape shifting at will and expressing themselves on their vibes alone isn’t just not cis, they’re the ultimate expression of transgenderism.

                        You also probably shouldn’t assume that god’s default gender is male in the first place tbqh

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                        • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                          If you’re not cis you’re trans, including genderfluids.

                          Generally speaking a god shape shifting at will and expressing themselves on their vibes alone isn’t just not cis, they’re the ultimate expression of transgenderism.

                          You also probably shouldn’t assume that god’s default gender is male in the first place tbqh

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                          Magiilaro
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                          I don’t assume a mortal gender for any god, neither in real religions nor in fictional ones, I can’t even see how a concept like gender (or sex) even would be possible at all with a formless/shapeless entity like a god. The entity would be beyond and above our puny mortal classifications and limitations of our bodys. It would be like asking what gender water has and then saying that water is trans or genderfluid because ice sculptures in male and female form exist.

                          For me the sex and/or gender of an god is: god

                          But maybe my main issue is that overanalize it, I often have that problem unfortunately. I hope that I have not said anything bad or hurt/angered anyone. If it happend then only because of my limited knowledge not out of ill intend.

                          I used the male form because that’s what is used in official texts in this case, so no assumption from my side.

                          Thank you

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                          • D Magiilaro

                            I don’t assume a mortal gender for any god, neither in real religions nor in fictional ones, I can’t even see how a concept like gender (or sex) even would be possible at all with a formless/shapeless entity like a god. The entity would be beyond and above our puny mortal classifications and limitations of our bodys. It would be like asking what gender water has and then saying that water is trans or genderfluid because ice sculptures in male and female form exist.

                            For me the sex and/or gender of an god is: god

                            But maybe my main issue is that overanalize it, I often have that problem unfortunately. I hope that I have not said anything bad or hurt/angered anyone. If it happend then only because of my limited knowledge not out of ill intend.

                            I used the male form because that’s what is used in official texts in this case, so no assumption from my side.

                            Thank you

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                            dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                            Did they change their gender?

                            Yes or no. It’s a pretty simple system fam.

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                              Did they change their gender?

                              Yes or no. It’s a pretty simple system fam.

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                              Magiilaro
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                              That is the issue and the source of my confusion. The god in question did not change the gender, it just created avatars. Those are sometimes created in a male form and sometimes in a female. But the god itself never changed gender (as far as I could find in the lore). Avatars are, as far as I know, entities that can be infused and controlled by the will of the god but it is not the god itself. Just like a human that controls a character in a video game, those characters are the avatars of the player but not the player himself.

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