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  • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

    Just got done investigating a spambot we had earlier, and it looks like they used a lot of compromised accounts on other instances to give their post an initial upvote boost. If you don’t already, please remember to use a good strong password. Keeping your account secure helps reduce spam across the whole of lemmy, and keeps your account from getting banned for things you didn’t actually do.

    I recommend Diceware! I use it in my professional capacity as an IT/Security person, and also you get to use your mathrocks!

    EDIT: Oh, also, all that numbers and symbols shit is no longer considered good practice. Just make it a really long collection of random words, at least 12, ideally 16+ characters. And make sure the words are actually random; your 3 favorite sports teams isn’t good enough, which is why I recommend diceware.

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    nocturne@slrpnk.net
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    Diceware is a password locker?

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    • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

      Just got done investigating a spambot we had earlier, and it looks like they used a lot of compromised accounts on other instances to give their post an initial upvote boost. If you don’t already, please remember to use a good strong password. Keeping your account secure helps reduce spam across the whole of lemmy, and keeps your account from getting banned for things you didn’t actually do.

      I recommend Diceware! I use it in my professional capacity as an IT/Security person, and also you get to use your mathrocks!

      EDIT: Oh, also, all that numbers and symbols shit is no longer considered good practice. Just make it a really long collection of random words, at least 12, ideally 16+ characters. And make sure the words are actually random; your 3 favorite sports teams isn’t good enough, which is why I recommend diceware.

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      graybackgroundmusic@lemmy.zip
      wrote last edited by graybackgroundmusic@lemmy.zip
      #4

      I like the CorrectHorseBatteryStaple methodology.

      Link Preview Image
      Password Strength

      favicon

      xkcd (xkcd.com)

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      • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

        Just got done investigating a spambot we had earlier, and it looks like they used a lot of compromised accounts on other instances to give their post an initial upvote boost. If you don’t already, please remember to use a good strong password. Keeping your account secure helps reduce spam across the whole of lemmy, and keeps your account from getting banned for things you didn’t actually do.

        I recommend Diceware! I use it in my professional capacity as an IT/Security person, and also you get to use your mathrocks!

        EDIT: Oh, also, all that numbers and symbols shit is no longer considered good practice. Just make it a really long collection of random words, at least 12, ideally 16+ characters. And make sure the words are actually random; your 3 favorite sports teams isn’t good enough, which is why I recommend diceware.

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        PugJesus
        wrote last edited by
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        My password is ‘friend’, should I change it? I feel like it keeps all the nasty visitors out while letting the good folk inside.

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        • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

          Just got done investigating a spambot we had earlier, and it looks like they used a lot of compromised accounts on other instances to give their post an initial upvote boost. If you don’t already, please remember to use a good strong password. Keeping your account secure helps reduce spam across the whole of lemmy, and keeps your account from getting banned for things you didn’t actually do.

          I recommend Diceware! I use it in my professional capacity as an IT/Security person, and also you get to use your mathrocks!

          EDIT: Oh, also, all that numbers and symbols shit is no longer considered good practice. Just make it a really long collection of random words, at least 12, ideally 16+ characters. And make sure the words are actually random; your 3 favorite sports teams isn’t good enough, which is why I recommend diceware.

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          exu
          wrote last edited by
          #6

          Just make one super strong password, use that to unlock you password manager and have it generate 30 character passwords for everything.

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          • PugJesusP PugJesus

            My password is ‘friend’, should I change it? I feel like it keeps all the nasty visitors out while letting the good folk inside.

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            majormajormajormajor@lemmy.ca
            wrote last edited by
            #7

            A much more secure password is “Mellon”. I’ve used it as a door code for ages, and nobody can guess it.

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            • PugJesusP PugJesus

              My password is ‘friend’, should I change it? I feel like it keeps all the nasty visitors out while letting the good folk inside.

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              jeeve65@ttrpg.network
              wrote last edited by
              #8

              Some great mind took hours to break this password. Hours!

              Spoiler: the pony survived!

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              • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

                Just got done investigating a spambot we had earlier, and it looks like they used a lot of compromised accounts on other instances to give their post an initial upvote boost. If you don’t already, please remember to use a good strong password. Keeping your account secure helps reduce spam across the whole of lemmy, and keeps your account from getting banned for things you didn’t actually do.

                I recommend Diceware! I use it in my professional capacity as an IT/Security person, and also you get to use your mathrocks!

                EDIT: Oh, also, all that numbers and symbols shit is no longer considered good practice. Just make it a really long collection of random words, at least 12, ideally 16+ characters. And make sure the words are actually random; your 3 favorite sports teams isn’t good enough, which is why I recommend diceware.

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                tyler@programming.dev
                wrote last edited by
                #9

                Random passwords are good practice, what isn’t good practice is following specific password requirements like 10 characters 1 uppercase, 1 symbol because that reduces your search space. A 30 or 50 character password generated by your password manager is always the most secure option, the longer the better. I generate passwords that go to the maximum the service allows.

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                • exuE exu

                  Just make one super strong password, use that to unlock you password manager and have it generate 30 character passwords for everything.

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                  archpawn@lemmy.world
                  wrote last edited by
                  #10

                  Ideally all lowercase letters to make them easy to type when you need to use them in another device. Unfortunately, a lot of places don’t allow that, preferring less secure and more inconvenient passwords.

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                  • T tyler@programming.dev

                    Random passwords are good practice, what isn’t good practice is following specific password requirements like 10 characters 1 uppercase, 1 symbol because that reduces your search space. A 30 or 50 character password generated by your password manager is always the most secure option, the longer the better. I generate passwords that go to the maximum the service allows.

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                    kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    wrote last edited by
                    #11

                    “Password must be between 8 and 12 characters” 🤦🏻‍♂️

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                    • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

                      Just got done investigating a spambot we had earlier, and it looks like they used a lot of compromised accounts on other instances to give their post an initial upvote boost. If you don’t already, please remember to use a good strong password. Keeping your account secure helps reduce spam across the whole of lemmy, and keeps your account from getting banned for things you didn’t actually do.

                      I recommend Diceware! I use it in my professional capacity as an IT/Security person, and also you get to use your mathrocks!

                      EDIT: Oh, also, all that numbers and symbols shit is no longer considered good practice. Just make it a really long collection of random words, at least 12, ideally 16+ characters. And make sure the words are actually random; your 3 favorite sports teams isn’t good enough, which is why I recommend diceware.

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                      Elvith Ma'for
                      wrote last edited by
                      #12

                      Also: Reminder to enable 2 factor authentication, of you haven’t.

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                        sirblastalot@ttrpg.network
                        wrote last edited by
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                        This is what you get for making me admin, I’ve gone mad with power, muhahahahaha!

                        crimes o-o

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                        • exuE exu

                          Just make one super strong password, use that to unlock you password manager and have it generate 30 character passwords for everything.

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                          sirblastalot@ttrpg.network
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                          Password managers are OK but I have hesitations on them personally. I’m leery of putting all my most high-value stuff in one place behind one password. What I do instead is memorize a truly unreasonable amount of passwords, though, which I recognize is not a reasonable expectation for others. For threat models in which you’re not worried about in-person attacks, it may actually be a good idea to just write your passwords down, maybe keep your password book in something with a lock on it. I’m not advocating for any particular method, just putting it out there so people can make an informed decision.

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                          • nocturne@slrpnk.netN nocturne@slrpnk.net

                            Diceware is a password locker?

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                            sirblastalot@ttrpg.network
                            wrote last edited by
                            #15

                            Diceware is a method of generating random memorable passwords.

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                            • G graybackgroundmusic@lemmy.zip

                              I like the CorrectHorseBatteryStaple methodology.

                              Link Preview Image
                              Password Strength

                              favicon

                              xkcd (xkcd.com)

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                              sirblastalot@ttrpg.network
                              wrote last edited by
                              #16

                              Basically what diceware does. It’s just that humans are really bad at picking random words (“banana” is over represented, for instance) that’s what diceware helps with.

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                              • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

                                Diceware is a method of generating random memorable passwords.

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                                nocturne@slrpnk.net
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                                I would suggest a password locker rather than just a generated passphrase.

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                                • kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  “Password must be between 8 and 12 characters” 🤦🏻‍♂️

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                                  cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                                  wrote last edited by cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                                  #18

                                  'Pass word1!

                                  Oh, ’ and spaces aren’t allowed?

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                                  • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

                                    Basically what diceware does. It’s just that humans are really bad at picking random words (“banana” is over represented, for instance) that’s what diceware helps with.

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                                    cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #19

                                    I used to use words from different vernaculars or languages. Sometimes i double check they are too abstract and weird to correct horse battery staple easily just because I’m a contrarian asshole snd thst helps me remember. exquisitevibrattoacquittalbevelschaudenfreude

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                                    • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

                                      Just got done investigating a spambot we had earlier, and it looks like they used a lot of compromised accounts on other instances to give their post an initial upvote boost. If you don’t already, please remember to use a good strong password. Keeping your account secure helps reduce spam across the whole of lemmy, and keeps your account from getting banned for things you didn’t actually do.

                                      I recommend Diceware! I use it in my professional capacity as an IT/Security person, and also you get to use your mathrocks!

                                      EDIT: Oh, also, all that numbers and symbols shit is no longer considered good practice. Just make it a really long collection of random words, at least 12, ideally 16+ characters. And make sure the words are actually random; your 3 favorite sports teams isn’t good enough, which is why I recommend diceware.

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                                      kieron115@startrek.website
                                      wrote last edited by
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                                      Horse: “That’s a battery staple.”

                                      Man: “Correct!”

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                                      • G graybackgroundmusic@lemmy.zip

                                        I like the CorrectHorseBatteryStaple methodology.

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Password Strength

                                        favicon

                                        xkcd (xkcd.com)

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                                        kieron115@startrek.website
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #21

                                        these are called pass phrases and yes, they tend to be way more secure at least until quantum computers render all traditional cryptography meaningless.

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                                        • S sirblastalot@ttrpg.network

                                          Password managers are OK but I have hesitations on them personally. I’m leery of putting all my most high-value stuff in one place behind one password. What I do instead is memorize a truly unreasonable amount of passwords, though, which I recognize is not a reasonable expectation for others. For threat models in which you’re not worried about in-person attacks, it may actually be a good idea to just write your passwords down, maybe keep your password book in something with a lock on it. I’m not advocating for any particular method, just putting it out there so people can make an informed decision.

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                                          quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
                                          wrote last edited by quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
                                          #22

                                          I’m leery of putting all my most high-value stuff in one place behind one password.

                                          Password managers (at least the non-browser based ones) use methods provided by the OS to protect themselves from screen recording, direct memory reading and keyboard-sniffing. Most password managers can also be set up to require a keyfile and/or physical passkey to unlock their databases.

                                          A keyfile stores data necessary for decryption separate from the password database and means someone couldn’t get into your passwords even if your database was stolen and they knew the master password (assuming you stored your keyfile separate from the database - the file and its location should be treated like a password itself). A keyfile also lets you keep your database on cloud storage while manually transferring the key to trusted devices, allowing cloud syncing of your passwords without fear of leaks - without the keyfile it’s all just random data.

                                          A physical passkey makes it virtually impossible to breach the database unless someone steals the USB device, since it uses a challenge-response model and the data needed to spoof it should never leave the device.

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