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  • L loresoong@startrek.website

    People have been talking about this game my whole life and, Im finally going to take the time to try it since I just got it in the steam sale. Also recently many references are being made to draw parallels our current situation many people state that this game “predicted everything!”.

    Any tips, tricks or external mods I should know before getting into it that will improve my experience or should the game be played as is? for reference I just purchased the Deus Ex GOTY edition

    what do you rate this game overall? If I enjoy this game, are the sequels worth playing? If so which ones? What would you rate the sequels?

    Spoilers are “okay” if they are required to answer any of my above questions but try to keep them minimal or at least tag the comment with a Spoiler warning. general discussion is okay too! Thanks for your input!

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    kugmo@sh.itjust.works
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    #26

    Just use the high framerate fix .dll, Kenties launcher (do not cap framerate in this or else it will cause pauses when you open your inventory, use an external fps limiter if needed), enhanced OpenGL or DX11 renderer and the music/maps fix. Do not use GMDX/Revision or any other mod for a first playthrough, you should also level up swimming.

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    • L loresoong@startrek.website

      Im getting conflicting info on this, another user is telling me that GMDX changes too much. Probably just going to have to read the changes for each suggested mod. Im just worried im going to read something that might otherwise have been a very interesting moment within gameplay.

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      brundlefly2077@sh.itjust.works
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      #27

      Yeah. Don’t do it, man 🤣 ZeroRando set to the “first time playthrough” QOL stuff sounds like it’ll do you fine.

      Don’t try to modernize it to much, just accept it’s a product of its time and get it to run properly on your system. It’s amazing. You’ll get used to the jank and you’ll love it.

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      • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

        It’s based on the weapon skills. Definitely play the Training

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        loresoong@startrek.website
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        #28

        I meant like in many FPS have recoil patters or crosshair spread that can be controlled by understanding the logic behind how the game is trying to make your shots inaccurate. might just have to test it in training to understand. I don’t expect anyone to know how such a minor detail works off the back of their hand.

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        • kugmo@sh.itjust.worksK kugmo@sh.itjust.works

          Just use the high framerate fix .dll, Kenties launcher (do not cap framerate in this or else it will cause pauses when you open your inventory, use an external fps limiter if needed), enhanced OpenGL or DX11 renderer and the music/maps fix. Do not use GMDX/Revision or any other mod for a first playthrough, you should also level up swimming.

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          loresoong@startrek.website
          wrote on last edited by
          #29

          Concise and to the point, much appreciated! Many players seem to share that sentiment of playing the vanilla game first. Again drawing comparisons to skyrim as i did in another comment, skyrim was borderline unplayable without mods for me, I wanted to see whete the community lies on this title specifically before I even try it.

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          • B brundlefly2077@sh.itjust.works

            RNG in that there’s an unpredictable sway and a delay in your crosshairs “converging” on a target such that your aim would make any difference at all.

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            loresoong@startrek.website
            wrote on last edited by
            #30

            Understood, thank you!

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            • B brundlefly2077@sh.itjust.works

              Yeah. Don’t do it, man 🤣 ZeroRando set to the “first time playthrough” QOL stuff sounds like it’ll do you fine.

              Don’t try to modernize it to much, just accept it’s a product of its time and get it to run properly on your system. It’s amazing. You’ll get used to the jank and you’ll love it.

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              loresoong@startrek.website
              wrote on last edited by
              #31

              Im thinking I might only mod if I run into issues. From what everyone is telling me, the game is SOLID with issues like you said that are “a product of its time” i think I can handle that.

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              • L loresoong@startrek.website

                Is that because you failed the stealth checks or simply out of frustration lol? Is the stealth more rewarding like a puzzle? does it give any benefits at all? like for example some games will give lore dumps when hiding from basic enemies. I’m a huge fan of when games use background conversations as exposition.

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                #32

                failed the stealth checks

                Generally this. Usually doesn’t matter which game. Has happened in Skyrim, Cyberpunk, Sniper Elite etc.

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                • L loresoong@startrek.website

                  People have been talking about this game my whole life and, Im finally going to take the time to try it since I just got it in the steam sale. Also recently many references are being made to draw parallels our current situation many people state that this game “predicted everything!”.

                  Any tips, tricks or external mods I should know before getting into it that will improve my experience or should the game be played as is? for reference I just purchased the Deus Ex GOTY edition

                  what do you rate this game overall? If I enjoy this game, are the sequels worth playing? If so which ones? What would you rate the sequels?

                  Spoilers are “okay” if they are required to answer any of my above questions but try to keep them minimal or at least tag the comment with a Spoiler warning. general discussion is okay too! Thanks for your input!

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                  Cevilia (she/they/…)
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #33

                  Don’t bother putting points in Swimming.

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                  • L loresoong@startrek.website

                    I meant like in many FPS have recoil patters or crosshair spread that can be controlled by understanding the logic behind how the game is trying to make your shots inaccurate. might just have to test it in training to understand. I don’t expect anyone to know how such a minor detail works off the back of their hand.

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                    die4ever@retrolemmy.com
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                    #34

                    It’s just random. When zoomed in, I believe the sway will pick a random direction to sway in and a random number of milliseconds to wait before picking a new random sway direction. But without a scope it’s just full random at the time of firing.

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                    • L loresoong@startrek.website

                      does the story and game play make up for this shortcoming? also with that in mind would it viable to play a full run and gun play through on my first go of that game?

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                      justOnePersistentKbinPlease
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                      #35

                      The issue is more that the regular mission gameplay encourages stealth and nonlethal takedowns. And does so exquisitely.

                      Then all of which are completely useless against the bosses.

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                      • Cevilia (she/they/…)C Cevilia (she/they/…)

                        Don’t bother putting points in Swimming.

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                        loresoong@startrek.website
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                        #36

                        the swimming comments are so confusing everyone is giving different opinions and not explaining lol.

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                          failed the stealth checks

                          Generally this. Usually doesn’t matter which game. Has happened in Skyrim, Cyberpunk, Sniper Elite etc.

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                          loresoong@startrek.website
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                          #37

                          This is honestly why I enjoyed the first 2 payday games. the moment things went south my character build was no stealth all damage.

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                          • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                            It’s just random. When zoomed in, I believe the sway will pick a random direction to sway in and a random number of milliseconds to wait before picking a new random sway direction. But without a scope it’s just full random at the time of firing.

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                            loresoong@startrek.website
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                            #38

                            gotcha, I can see why stealth is so heavily promoted as a playstyle then at least for early game.

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                            • J justOnePersistentKbinPlease

                              The issue is more that the regular mission gameplay encourages stealth and nonlethal takedowns. And does so exquisitely.

                              Then all of which are completely useless against the bosses.

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                              loresoong@startrek.website
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                              #39

                              gotcha maybe i just cheat at the bossfights lol godmode etc

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                              • L loresoong@startrek.website

                                the swimming comments are so confusing everyone is giving different opinions and not explaining lol.

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                                Cevilia (she/they/…)
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                                #40

                                It’s kind of a meme from way back when the game was new. Swimming was a deeply polarising skill. The main benefit to the swimming skill was being able to stay underwater for minutes at a time, which sounds incredibly useful as a way to open up alternative entrances and more exploration. But… there were very few places you’d actually get the chance to use it.

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                                • L loresoong@startrek.website

                                  gotcha maybe i just cheat at the bossfights lol godmode etc

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                                  justOnePersistentKbinPlease
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                                  #41

                                  Understand that you can absolutely go in guns blazing and have a great time.
                                  The missions all have multiple paths to completion.

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                                  • J justOnePersistentKbinPlease

                                    Understand that you can absolutely go in guns blazing and have a great time.
                                    The missions all have multiple paths to completion.

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                                    loresoong@startrek.website
                                    wrote on last edited by loresoong@startrek.website
                                    #42

                                    Is that also true for early game? other players were calling it borderline impossible without proper weapon skills and even then the early game makes it difficult

                                    Edit: im dumb. I replied to this thinking it was a stand alone comment in my replies inbox… my bad for the confusion.

                                    I might just get Human rev as well, people seem to generally enjoy it. even if its not as good as the original.

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                                    • Cevilia (she/they/…)C Cevilia (she/they/…)

                                      It’s kind of a meme from way back when the game was new. Swimming was a deeply polarising skill. The main benefit to the swimming skill was being able to stay underwater for minutes at a time, which sounds incredibly useful as a way to open up alternative entrances and more exploration. But… there were very few places you’d actually get the chance to use it.

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                                      loresoong@startrek.website
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                                      #43

                                      thank you, I might have leveled swimming and just waited for a section where itd finally be useful lol. worst case scenario Ill find the alternate paths on a second playthrough

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                                      • L loresoong@startrek.website

                                        yeah you might be right, the entire new mechanics section might be more than what im looking for. and this line alone in the review “However, my overall impression is a negative one. GMDX unbalances Deus Ex from being a fun, accessible game to being a struggle.” Might have to save that for a 2nd or 3rd playthrough

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                                        Coelacanth
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                                        #44

                                        die4ever@retrolemmy.com is our resident DX expert, I have nothing much to add other than: listen to his advice.

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                                        • L loresoong@startrek.website

                                          Is that also true for early game? other players were calling it borderline impossible without proper weapon skills and even then the early game makes it difficult

                                          Edit: im dumb. I replied to this thinking it was a stand alone comment in my replies inbox… my bad for the confusion.

                                          I might just get Human rev as well, people seem to generally enjoy it. even if its not as good as the original.

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                                          Coelacanth
                                          wrote on last edited by coelacanth@feddit.nu
                                          #45

                                          This thread was talking about Human Revolution, which is the third Deus Ex game and a prequel.

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