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@ninafelwitch @Ashedryden Yeah, that's also the reason why I'm on WhatsApp, only because of family connections or to read some updates from meetup groups.
But I'm not really present there. And at some point you would be lonely sitting in your flat, without any connection with people anymore.
I still suffer from that, while I'm not as 100% "pure" or stringent when it comes to my denial of such corporations. At some point you break, at some point you long for connection, if you are basically lonely in your offline life.
If it would be different, then I would be less pressured to even use these services at all. Do I trust Signal, Discord, Reddit, Telegram? No, not at all.
First real life connections become more and more impossible as you get older, then only connections in those walled gardens can be found and it's painful.
@phantasus
" lonely sitting in your flat, without any connection with people anymore"
Yeah...
So far I still have Discord. But I might not for much longer.
I still have steam to chat with friends who are also on steam. But some only have a playstation or xbox. And none of them are on fedi.
It was hard to convince some of my friends to follow me to signal. I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone to switch to IRC, XMPP or forums.
Discord is where all my guilds are. It's where all my friends have their little chat groups.Leaving Facebook and Twitter was easy. Leaving Discord will be near impossible if I want to keep any of my contacts.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden astute.
This really is the start of a a two tiered internet. 🛜 I just wonder - will the majority of folks go for this? In my heart I feel like they will. To appear “normal” will be to completely give up all online anonymity. (As if we had that to begin with)
The implications of this will be felt in the short term, and I wonder just how many I.C.E detainments (here in the U.S) this will lead to.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden I've felt this.
I've been searching for alternative ways to get music only to find albums don't get sold anymore; it's always Spotify.
It's a crushing pressure from the industry. FOMO to the max level.
I'm stubborn and I can take it, but most people - especially teenagers - don't have what it takes to resist the encroachment of techno feudalism on entertainment.
And I even miss hearing my old music.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden There’s always the dark web.
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@Ashedryden I've felt this.
I've been searching for alternative ways to get music only to find albums don't get sold anymore; it's always Spotify.
It's a crushing pressure from the industry. FOMO to the max level.
I'm stubborn and I can take it, but most people - especially teenagers - don't have what it takes to resist the encroachment of techno feudalism on entertainment.
And I even miss hearing my old music.
@yuki2501 @Ashedryden Time to break out that piratebay.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden Instant account deletion for me. There's no way I trust random platforms with a copy of my ID.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden oh yeah, no. I was literally just thinking about how I've never really gotten the hang of Discord. The signal to noise ratio is just so far off, I just kinda forget it exists.
I'll definitely be peacing out on that one.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.
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With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.
@KanaMauna @Ashedryden "State actor" is a peculiar way of describing the legislative body of a country, but it isn't wrong. -
RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
I think for a lot of us this is already the case that we just don’t computer the way the majority do: we don’t use the same OS, applications, browsers, chat apps, social networks, search engines, media, or even read the same news.
We interact with corporate silos through sock puppets. Which ID laws will close that loop. And we’ll be forced to decide if we want to keep a prescience on that side of the wall at all.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden if its done right they will be using federation with an identity provider whom people do trust, but I doubt that will happen as identity in itself = $$$ in the marketing world.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden But why on god's green earth would you want to use Discord?
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With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.
@KanaMauna @Ashedryden
Thats quite sure, states are either already fascist or at least having actors preparing that way, making sure that people are anywhere ever identified is very important for them -
@Ashedryden I wish people could of ALWAYS seen this coming.
@Netraven @Ashedryden those with so-called "Cassandra Syndrome" could have warned of this, but are, alas, cursed with being ignored.
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@Ashedryden teamspeak is great for voice, but someone NEEDS to make a better alternative for chatting. i haven't found a platform that works nearly as well as discord, and it sucks.
@mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:
Owl Eyes (@d1@autistics.life)
@Lockdownyourlife@infosec.exchange No matter what alternative video conferencing solution you pick, alas, it will live and die by how well the network routers that you traverse, treat your traffic fairly - governed by the invisible, so-called "QOS rules". "QOS" is short for "Quality Of Service", and is a technical term that Professional Network Administrators know. *Governments who don't favor "network neutrality" will almost certainly have these QOS rules skewed to the favor of the tech bros, who can afford to hire lobbyists - unlike people like you.* Unfavorable QOS rules will silently tackle down your praiseworthy efforts and unfortunately make you look bad, because you picked a solution which ultimately "didn't work" *through no fault of your own*. Whomever tries alternatives like #Jitsi, #XMPP, etc: you'll likely get silently tripped up on/mired by QOS rules when talking to *some* of your contacts. Even though I don't praise or advocate the Zooms of the world - that's where you'll likely be limping back to, unfortunately. Having said all this, I'd suggest giving #Signal video chats a cautious try. It might work for *smallish* numbers of people having group video chats. #infosec
Autistics Life Community (autistics.life)
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden Fully agree with you on 2.
As for two-tier internet - ever since some clever clogs came up with the magic word "premium", segregation was born. Not too many complaints neither, looks like. -
@mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:
Owl Eyes (@d1@autistics.life)
@Lockdownyourlife@infosec.exchange No matter what alternative video conferencing solution you pick, alas, it will live and die by how well the network routers that you traverse, treat your traffic fairly - governed by the invisible, so-called "QOS rules". "QOS" is short for "Quality Of Service", and is a technical term that Professional Network Administrators know. *Governments who don't favor "network neutrality" will almost certainly have these QOS rules skewed to the favor of the tech bros, who can afford to hire lobbyists - unlike people like you.* Unfavorable QOS rules will silently tackle down your praiseworthy efforts and unfortunately make you look bad, because you picked a solution which ultimately "didn't work" *through no fault of your own*. Whomever tries alternatives like #Jitsi, #XMPP, etc: you'll likely get silently tripped up on/mired by QOS rules when talking to *some* of your contacts. Even though I don't praise or advocate the Zooms of the world - that's where you'll likely be limping back to, unfortunately. Having said all this, I'd suggest giving #Signal video chats a cautious try. It might work for *smallish* numbers of people having group video chats. #infosec
Autistics Life Community (autistics.life)
@d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who can’t, won’t, or don’t have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
And someone is going to make a random identity generator page of any country you choose and random faces of different poses. Complete with random lists of where you went to school, first pet, etc, in a printable fact page. What are they going to do, try and verify?
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@d1 @Ashedryden is that an issue for chat, though? i got voice calls down great, its the roles and level of categorization over messages is what i miss often
@mochabeau @Ashedryden well, maybe #Zulip? Or #DeltaChat, if you really want end-to-end encryption of group chats (but no control of roles)? #XMPP also has good group delegation, but the #OMEMO encryption can have less reliable delivery in groups, with various members disappearing for spells of time.
