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  3. Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

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  • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

    Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

    Yeah. Me neither.

    This is a toot about operating systems.

    NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
    NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
    Nazo
    wrote last edited by
    #9

    @ptoothfish I'd say it's a toot about tech in general...

    There's making improvements, and then there's just straight up fixing what isn't broken...

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    • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

      Yeah. Me neither.

      This is a toot about operating systems.

      πŸ’™πŸ©·πŸ’œβ’·β“‘β“”β“£β“£πŸ‘πŸ‰πŸ§B This user is from outside of this forum
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      πŸ’™πŸ©·πŸ’œβ’·β“‘β“”β“£β“£πŸ‘πŸ‰πŸ§
      wrote last edited by
      #10
      @ptoothfish@mastodon.nz its not a toot about openbsd or alpine linux tho πŸ™‚
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      • D2C D2

        @ptoothfish πŸ’― - if we did cars like tech does software, folks would have given β€˜em up and gone back to walking.

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        Dirty Anarcho-Communist
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        #11

        @cascheranno @ptoothfish I mean, look at what happened when tech bros started making cars... Everything suddenly became a touch screen β€” and everyone hated it.

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        • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

          Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

          Yeah. Me neither.

          This is a toot about operating systems.

          rainynight65R This user is from outside of this forum
          rainynight65R This user is from outside of this forum
          rainynight65
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          #12

          @ptoothfish It was bad enough when I had a rental car recently and the indicator was on the other side of the steering wheel, where decades of muscle memory expect the window wipers to be.

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          • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

            Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

            Yeah. Me neither.

            This is a toot about operating systems.

            Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿_ This user is from outside of this forum
            Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿_ This user is from outside of this forum
            Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁒󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
            wrote last edited by
            #13

            @ptoothfish My linux setup is still about as close to the 2006 version as you can get, plus an early Mac style dock. If it works...

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            • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

              Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

              Yeah. Me neither.

              This is a toot about operating systems.

              TanquistT This user is from outside of this forum
              TanquistT This user is from outside of this forum
              Tanquist
              wrote last edited by
              #14

              @ptoothfish
              How timely. After weeks of tearing my hair out trying to deal with confusing and non-functonal aspects of the new Outlook, my supervisor asked me why I don't just use Outlook (classic). I replaced my shortcuts today and it's going much better. Windows 11 still sucks, though.

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              • D Dirty Anarcho-Communist

                @cascheranno @ptoothfish I mean, look at what happened when tech bros started making cars... Everything suddenly became a touch screen β€” and everyone hated it.

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                D2
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                #15

                @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish absolutely! And not just hated; turns out a blind reach for a knob (or, forgive my human-factors fanboying masquerading as nostalgia, a row of 6 fat station buttons) is *safer* than looking away from the road at a touch screen.

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                • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

                  Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                  Yeah. Me neither.

                  This is a toot about operating systems.

                  Steven HeywoodS This user is from outside of this forum
                  Steven HeywoodS This user is from outside of this forum
                  Steven Heywood
                  wrote last edited by
                  #16

                  @ptoothfish
                  But if they didn't periodically resize the keyboard buttons on touchscreens and round off the corners to minimise the chances of your hitting the letters cleanly there'd be no opportunity for the mandatory AI autofill to tell your doctor you want a repeat prescription for a Palaeozoic armoured fish.

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                  • D2C D2

                    @ptoothfish πŸ’― - if we did cars like tech does software, folks would have given β€˜em up and gone back to walking.

                    SlightlyCyberpunkA This user is from outside of this forum
                    SlightlyCyberpunkA This user is from outside of this forum
                    SlightlyCyberpunk
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                    #17

                    @cascheranno @ptoothfish I mean this is pretty much what I *have* done because have you seen cars these days??? My 2009 Pontiac slowly rots on the street while I walk and bike because I am *not* buying one of these rolling enshittifications.

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                    • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

                      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                      Yeah. Me neither.

                      This is a toot about operating systems.

                      Benjamin D. HutchinsZ This user is from outside of this forum
                      Benjamin D. HutchinsZ This user is from outside of this forum
                      Benjamin D. Hutchins
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                      #18

                      @ptoothfish I have in fact thought that about a car, but in that case I started so thinking within a few days of acquiring the car and spent the entire 8 to 10 years continuing to think it.

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                      • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

                        Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                        Yeah. Me neither.

                        This is a toot about operating systems.

                        60sRefugee6 This user is from outside of this forum
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                        60sRefugee
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                        #19

                        @ptoothfish I've imagined a "Twilight Zone"-esque short about a man who every day wakes up in an alternate timeline where everything's almost the same except that all devices have completely different (often absurd) controls which he has to relearn every day. He ends up living in the Canadian wilderness in a log cabin he built himself.

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                          @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish absolutely! And not just hated; turns out a blind reach for a knob (or, forgive my human-factors fanboying masquerading as nostalgia, a row of 6 fat station buttons) is *safer* than looking away from the road at a touch screen.

                          J This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @cascheranno @DirtyAnCom @ptoothfish

                          In principle I like putting big screens in cars. Then one can have a nice large map, and show other relevant information. And also do the "big" settings one usually does once or rarely - while not driving.

                          But for everything which has to be controlled either regularly while driving or is time critical there has to be an other appropriate (easy, takes practically no attention) way for doing the command.

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                            Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                            Yeah. Me neither.

                            This is a toot about operating systems.

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                            H This user is from outside of this forum
                            Howitzer105mm
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                            @ptoothfish I have a 2024 Snodgras Rapier and a 2024 Snodgras Defender and it would be so nice if the steering wheel controls were identical, the dash controls were identical, the dashboard instrument placement were identical, and so on. Sadly the Snodgras Motor Company has no concept of uniformity in controls. It also doesn't seem to believe there is value in building common parts in bulk.

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                              Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                              Yeah. Me neither.

                              This is a toot about operating systems.

                              NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                              NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
                              Nicky
                              wrote last edited by
                              #22

                              @ptoothfish I always think about how much "cleaner" the car would look if, for example, there was just one pedal which opened a series of menus hiding functions like "brake"

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                                Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                Yeah. Me neither.

                                This is a toot about operating systems.

                                Brian TatoskyV This user is from outside of this forum
                                Brian TatoskyV This user is from outside of this forum
                                Brian Tatosky
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                                @ptoothfish :spittake: God I laughed so hard at this. And then imagined mandatory drill upgrades that moved the power button each time. And then laughed some more.

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                                  @ptoothfish
                                  How timely. After weeks of tearing my hair out trying to deal with confusing and non-functonal aspects of the new Outlook, my supervisor asked me why I don't just use Outlook (classic). I replaced my shortcuts today and it's going much better. Windows 11 still sucks, though.

                                  NickyN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Nicky
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                                  #24

                                  @tanquist @ptoothfish I dread the day when we're forced onto the new outlook. Been toggling that toggle on every computer I've used for years now.

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                                    Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                    Yeah. Me neither.

                                    This is a toot about operating systems.

                                    E. C. BigribsE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    E. C. Bigribs
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                                    #25

                                    @ptoothfish Yes, all the time, but I'm left-handed and chronically cranky and I prefer motorcycles.

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                                    • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

                                      Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                      Yeah. Me neither.

                                      This is a toot about operating systems.

                                      𐁂𐀑𐀐𐁐E This user is from outside of this forum
                                      𐁂𐀑𐀐𐁐E This user is from outside of this forum
                                      𐁂𐀑𐀐𐁐
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #26

                                      @ptoothfish I'm looking at YOU KDE Plasma and Fedora... KDE Fedora 42 forced 6.5 on users like a normal update and it totally broke the start menu's search logic, which is the core workflow for 99% of KDE users...

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                                      • πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸP πŸŸπŸ πŸ‘πŸ™πŸ¦‘ptoothfishπŸ¦‘πŸ™πŸ‘πŸ πŸŸ

                                        Ever driven the same car or used the same camera or power drill for 8-10 years and thought: "I wish all these buttons and levers were suddenly in different places and did different things"?

                                        Yeah. Me neither.

                                        This is a toot about operating systems.

                                        Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Eric LawtonE This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Eric Lawton
                                        wrote last edited by
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                                        @ptoothfish

                                        Not have I wished my drill would take pictures of everything I do, so the manufacturer could merge my designs with others and sell them through β€œAI”.

                                        @Szescstopni

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                                        • NickyN Nicky

                                          @ptoothfish I always think about how much "cleaner" the car would look if, for example, there was just one pedal which opened a series of menus hiding functions like "brake"

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                                          H This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Howitzer105mm
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #28

                                          @nicelady @ptoothfish That's not as far fetched as it sounds.
                                          One Snodgras has a button to enable a driver convenience.
                                          One Snodgras has it on the touch screen.
                                          I tested another Snodgras that had it one or two levels deep on the touch screen.
                                          The driver convenience I believe to have been intentionally made difficult to get to in order to upsell to a more expensive Snodgras model.

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