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A request from somebody in the USA: if you live in another country, please start pressuring your government to institute sanctions against the US.

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  • Paul CantrellI This user is from outside of this forum
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    A request from somebody in the USA: if you live in another country, please start pressuring your government to institute sanctions against the US.

    Diplomatic sanctions, economic sanctions, whatever is possible.

    I do not expect this to happen quickly. Start laying the political groundwork now so that it can happen at all, ever, while it still matters.

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    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

      A request from somebody in the USA: if you live in another country, please start pressuring your government to institute sanctions against the US.

      Diplomatic sanctions, economic sanctions, whatever is possible.

      I do not expect this to happen quickly. Start laying the political groundwork now so that it can happen at all, ever, while it still matters.

      Paul CantrellI This user is from outside of this forum
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      Treating the US like a rogue state would be a seismic shift in international relations — a shift that slow-moving world will resist. But the US •is• a rogue state at this point, and other nations need to start treating it as such. Like…yesterday.

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        Treating the US like a rogue state would be a seismic shift in international relations — a shift that slow-moving world will resist. But the US •is• a rogue state at this point, and other nations need to start treating it as such. Like…yesterday.

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        I appreciate the boosts on the thread above, which I take as support.

        The defeatist replies make me despair a bit. Just to address some greatest hits en masse:

        1. “Kick them out yourselves” → JFC, what the hell do you think we are trying to do, constantly, day after day, the amount of action and engagement against the federal invasion where I live is like nothing I’ve seen in my lifetime. WE ARE ASKING FOR HELP. Please do not be an ass about it.

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        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

          I appreciate the boosts on the thread above, which I take as support.

          The defeatist replies make me despair a bit. Just to address some greatest hits en masse:

          1. “Kick them out yourselves” → JFC, what the hell do you think we are trying to do, constantly, day after day, the amount of action and engagement against the federal invasion where I live is like nothing I’ve seen in my lifetime. WE ARE ASKING FOR HELP. Please do not be an ass about it.

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          2. “The US has too much power, nobody can possibly stand up to them” → I don’t know, dude, maybe ask to copy Canada’s notes? I am not asking for magic here; I’m just asking people to try.

          3. “But standing up to a fascist US is too expensive for us” → Believe me, whatever it costs us all now (inside •and• outside the US), it will cost even more later.

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            2. “The US has too much power, nobody can possibly stand up to them” → I don’t know, dude, maybe ask to copy Canada’s notes? I am not asking for magic here; I’m just asking people to try.

            3. “But standing up to a fascist US is too expensive for us” → Believe me, whatever it costs us all now (inside •and• outside the US), it will cost even more later.

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            4. “But it’s too hard” → I am not asking the world to turn the US into North Korea overnight. I’m asking everyone to make subservience to the US a source of political discontent wherever they live, in whatever way local politics allow.

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              4. “But it’s too hard” → I am not asking the world to turn the US into North Korea overnight. I’m asking everyone to make subservience to the US a source of political discontent wherever they live, in whatever way local politics allow.

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              5. “But what are we supposed to do exactly?!” → Fight for digital sovereignty. Fight for a more independent financial system. Stop honoring US pharma patents. Form large coalitions to threaten economic sanctions. Limit travel, or increase the friction of it. Target the comfort of the billionaires who are bankrolling this. There is a long list of actions countries can take if •and only if• their populations create the political pressure for it.

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              • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                I appreciate the boosts on the thread above, which I take as support.

                The defeatist replies make me despair a bit. Just to address some greatest hits en masse:

                1. “Kick them out yourselves” → JFC, what the hell do you think we are trying to do, constantly, day after day, the amount of action and engagement against the federal invasion where I live is like nothing I’ve seen in my lifetime. WE ARE ASKING FOR HELP. Please do not be an ass about it.

                Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP This user is from outside of this forum
                Pteryx the Puzzle SecretaryP This user is from outside of this forum
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                @inthehands
                To put the fact that Americans *are* asking for help into more context: For decades at least, US culture has pushed the idea of rugged individualism to extremes, and shamed the very idea of asking for or even *needing* help as meaning you're weak, useless, and possibly don't deserve to live. It takes an extreme situation and a lot of swallowing of pride for the average American to admit to themselves that they need assistance, let alone actually *ask* for it.

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