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Canada Post workers on nationwide strike after government demands reforms

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  • M mrdown@lemmy.world

    Are you an idiot? Canada has no unlimited money . Canada will keep increasing the military defense while reducing the quality of all the services

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    auli@lemmy.ca
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    #84

    We should meet the 2% at the very least.

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    • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

      The only people that benefit from competition, are the ones who own the company.

      Ask people in BC how much they benefit from ICBC having a monopoly on car insurance…

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      auli@lemmy.ca
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      #85

      I mean they’re doing better then Albertans.

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      • A archangel1313@lemmy.ca

        Ask anyone in BC what their private health insurance looks like these days. Lots of companies out there, and none of them are offering plans anywhere close to what they used to. The difference is, ICBC has the largest cash reserve for payouts…while private insurance companies only have a fraction. That’s why premiums go up and services go down. None of them alone, are able to make enough money to sustain the level of service we expect. Put them all together, and they should. But only if you also remove the profit margins from the equation.

        You want to fix ICBC…then we need to regulate it better. The more it behaves like a private insurance company, the worse the service gets. Treat it like a non-profit public service, and watch it come back to where it should be.

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        auli@lemmy.ca
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        I mean Alberta has only private insurance and the highest rates on the country. So private isn’t the answer.

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        • G grindinggears@lemmy.ca

          So ban themselves too? Might want to lookup who is the majority shareholder of purolator…

          Let’s not make an untenable situation even worse. Also government intervention in the marketplace never ends well, and it’s time to face the facts. Mail as it was, is no longer viable. That’s going to suck for a lot of people, and I mean that sucks for sure, I’m not a heartless bastard. But, it pretty clearly isn’t functional.

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          auli@lemmy.ca
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          Yes the fact that USB c can charge all phones now is horrible how could the EU have done this to the world.

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          • A archangel1313@lemmy.ca

            How do college students undermine Canada Post? Please, be specific.

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            auli@lemmy.ca
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            The people who come in and then drive for Amazon.

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            • A auli@lemmy.ca

              We need to spend more money on defense sorry. The world is changing and we are severally underfunded for defence.

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              mrdown@lemmy.world
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              Not by sacrificing other things

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              • A auli@lemmy.ca

                Why do they need their current level of employees. Maybe they need to downsize of service is being cut.

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                godoflies@lemmy.ca
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                Sure, I think we can agree they have lots of employees. What do each of them do? Now, why can’t we have other kinds of jobs for workers instead of straight up layoffs? I’m saying going straight to downsize is the easy solution because no one in upper management etc wants to develop new businesses that CP can do and service and still make money!! Are some jobs obsolete and outdated? Very likely. Is there a lot of redundancy? I’m sure every government run entity has it. Now who made the shots of hiring more and more? Management. Why aren’t they the first to go? Why is the onus on lower level employees?

                We can let people go, eliminate jobs all we want about a shrinking business model because they (management) didn’t pivot or come up with new models to effectively retain cost-neutral/profitability. What isn’t the government and CP saying instead of going straight to cuts? Show us what they tried to get out of this deficit. Well turns out from all the reporting, they did very little and the private sector took their lunch. What a disaster.

                Postage services can be so much more, they just aren’t willing to try. Why can’t they do basic banking? Financialization. They had the opportunity to but chose not to because they’re dinosaurs with outdated business models. Be a storage depot / warehouse for small businesses. I’m just throwing ideas out there.

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                • G grindinggears@lemmy.ca

                  Expanding Canada Post has been a disaster every time it’s been tried. They are always too slow to respond, and it’s always been just an endless suck of funds. I’m thinking about their stores concepts, the Facebook wanna be marketplace. There’s been a lot of turds over the years. Big old confused and bloated crown corp, like we’ve all seen this one.

                  Is it mismanaged, for sure it has been. I agree on the precipice that privatization usually sucks, that’s not what I’m really arguing for. But when we say if they are going to be solvent, they need to do more than mail delivery, like right there that’s the gist. Mail delivery isn’t ever going to be a solvent endeavor. So now the question is, OK so where’s the fine line here then, like what’s enough and how much are we willing to burn, what’s not enough and what is too much cash spent? Canada Postal Workers Union though, just drew a line in the sand so hard that I’m not sure how they envision coming out of this one on top, like the institution is belly up for all intents and purposes. On the flip side, the executives obviously fucked this one up pretty hard too.

                  I dunno, it’s a real son of a situation, that’s for sure. One that isn’t likely going to end well for either side, no matter what falls out here.

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                  archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                  #91

                  Canada Post hasn’t been “expanded” at all, though. It’s been carved up and sold off over the last 10 to 15 years, thanks to the Harper government’s intervention in the way they are allowed to operate. Prior to 2010, CP was one of the most efficient and profitable institutions in Canada.

                  But thanks to the Harper government, they stopped providing the kinds of services that are now dominated by private companies, who all swooped in to fill the void created by those decisions to “cut operating costs”. Those jobs used to be all done by Canada Post. Now they’re all being done by FedEx etc.

                  This was a deliberate effort by the Harper government to starve Canad Post of revenue, in order to hasten the shift to a fully privatized delivery system. We’re just watching the final results of those decisions now.

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                  • A auli@lemmy.ca

                    I mean Alberta has only private insurance and the highest rates on the country. So private isn’t the answer.

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                    archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                    Perfect example.

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                    • D deltapi@lemmy.world

                      Tax credits are not the same thing as cash. You can’t “spend tax credits” on Canada post, the credits are there to bring the business in and give them credits based on the further income they bring to the country

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                      xthexder@l.sw0.com
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                      If they didn’t give out tax credits then they would receive that amount in taxes. From the government’s point of view tax credits are a reduction in revenue.

                      I don’t think 10% fewer tax credits would have made the difference of the factory being built or not. VW has plenty of money to pay taxes.

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                      • T thatorangebird@lemmy.ca

                        What if you live in a very rural place? I shouldn’t have to drive to retrieve my mail which would surely happen as there aren’t enough houses nearby to warrant it being a community box location. I’d likely make sure I receive nothing via Canada Post anymore as much as possible, and they can fill some community box with junk mail until there’s no more room.

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                        xthexder@l.sw0.com
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                        My grandparents live on a farm in rural Canada and have never gotten delivery to their door. They have a PO box at the nearest town which is a 30 minute drive away. They can’t even get anything shipped by a courier because non will deliver to a PO box or outside of town. As far as I know it’s always worked this way, and nothing is changing there.

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                        • xthexder@l.sw0.comX xthexder@l.sw0.com

                          If they didn’t give out tax credits then they would receive that amount in taxes. From the government’s point of view tax credits are a reduction in revenue.

                          I don’t think 10% fewer tax credits would have made the difference of the factory being built or not. VW has plenty of money to pay taxes.

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                          deltapi@lemmy.world
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                          The whole point of the tax credits was to convince them to bring the business here in the first place.
                          Decrease the tax credits by 10%, sure. The business goes elsewhere to build their factory, what’s 10% of $0?

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                          • W whitebrow@lemmy.world

                            Good. Eliminating all door to door deliveries is not the answer and whoever came up with that rationale needs to removed immediately.

                            And again, for the people in the back: Canada post is a service. It doesn’t make money. It costs money. Same way public healthcare does.

                            Why are they trying to spin it as a business that needs to generate profit or undertake cost cutting measures to exist and continue providing services that are still being widely used?

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                            croquette@sh.itjust.works
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                            Because lots of rich people froth at the mount trying to get in on the privatization of a public service.

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                            • D deltapi@lemmy.world

                              I don’t see why it should be subsidized with taxes.
                              Deutsche Post manages to successfully keep mail flowing as an independent self funded service, why can’t Canada Post?
                              The simple fact of the matter is that the union is unwilling to budge on finding ways to improve efficiency because the more employees they have paying dues, the more they get paid.
                              If this was a private company, they’d be willing to work it out because they’d be afraid of the business folding, but here they think the well runs not just deep, but infinitely so.

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                              croquette@sh.itjust.works
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                              If it was a private company, they wouldn’t be obligated to serve every Canadian, no matter where they are.

                              Canada Post is a public service and should be treated as such.

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                                formfiller@lemmy.world
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                                It’s crazy how governments across the world are failing their citizens but seem to have unlimited money for corruption

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                                • darkassassin07@lemmy.caD darkassassin07@lemmy.ca

                                  “The bottom line is this: Canada Post is effectively insolvent,” Lightbound said earlier Thursday.

                                  “It provides an essential service to Canadians, and in particular to rural, remote and Indigenous communities, and Canadians are rightfully attached to it and want it saved. However, repeated bailouts from the federal government are not the solution.”

                                  FFS it’s a service not a business; profit is not the goal. Paying bills for services isn’t ‘bailing out’ your service provider, it’s paying for what you’ve used.

                                  Mail transit is essential for a modern civilization, and it’s not something that should be privately controlled. Having private options is fine, but there should ALWAYS be a federal mail service.

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                                  chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                                  It’s a service that’s mainly used by businesses to communicate with their customers. Why should taxpayers subsidize it? Charge more for postage to businesses and make them pay for it.

                                  Regular people rarely send mail to other regular people. Extremely rarely.

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                                  • darkassassin07@lemmy.caD darkassassin07@lemmy.ca

                                    If you want it [to be] profitable it well drop serving every address.

                                    That’s not an acceptable option either. Everyone should have access to mail service and as the private services aren’t obliged to provide it, the federal system needs to step up.

                                    Public services are there to serve the public, not to turn a profit. It’s this expectation of profitability that needs to change.

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                                    chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                                    private services aren’t obliged to provide it

                                    Private services are not allowed to provide it. Canada Post has an exclusive monopoly by law.

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                                    • G grindinggears@lemmy.ca

                                      What is getting so lost in all this social media outrage, is no one is proposing the total ending of mail delivery here. It’s still going to occur, just with some adjustments coming to make the service less of a capital burner, and maybe more of a service that’s matched to the reality of a modern age. It doesn’t make much sense to me that everyone is so opposed to this. Ol’ Grise Fiord is going to still receive their mail under this new proposed system. Well I mean they were until the postal union led their employees off the job once again for the umpteenth time.

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                                      akuchimoya@startrek.website
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                                      I’m by no means against reduction or modification of service to match the reality of less mail being sent and delivered. Reduction of service and tax funding are not mutually exclusive.

                                      But a legal mandate to serve all Canadians and a mandate for “solvency” based solely on postage are mutually exclusive in a country as geographically large as Canada with all our small, rural and remote (i.e. Unprofitable) communities.

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                                      • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                                        Best I can find the government gave a $1 billion loan to Canada Post.

                                        The toal expenditures in the 2024 budget was $538 billion.

                                        This is having $500 in wallet and being concerned that the $1 you loaned to someone could have been spent better.

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                                        grindinggears@lemmy.ca
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                                        It has to start somewhere.

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                                        • G grindinggears@lemmy.ca

                                          It has to start somewhere.

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                                          cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                                          Maybe start somewhere that takes at least a whole 1% of the budget instead of what amounts to a rounding error.

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