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Canada Post workers on nationwide strike after government demands reforms

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  • A auli@lemmy.ca

    I mean Alberta has only private insurance and the highest rates on the country. So private isn’t the answer.

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    archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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    Perfect example.

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    • D deltapi@lemmy.world

      Tax credits are not the same thing as cash. You can’t “spend tax credits” on Canada post, the credits are there to bring the business in and give them credits based on the further income they bring to the country

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      xthexder@l.sw0.com
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      #93

      If they didn’t give out tax credits then they would receive that amount in taxes. From the government’s point of view tax credits are a reduction in revenue.

      I don’t think 10% fewer tax credits would have made the difference of the factory being built or not. VW has plenty of money to pay taxes.

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      • T thatorangebird@lemmy.ca

        What if you live in a very rural place? I shouldn’t have to drive to retrieve my mail which would surely happen as there aren’t enough houses nearby to warrant it being a community box location. I’d likely make sure I receive nothing via Canada Post anymore as much as possible, and they can fill some community box with junk mail until there’s no more room.

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        xthexder@l.sw0.com
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        #94

        My grandparents live on a farm in rural Canada and have never gotten delivery to their door. They have a PO box at the nearest town which is a 30 minute drive away. They can’t even get anything shipped by a courier because non will deliver to a PO box or outside of town. As far as I know it’s always worked this way, and nothing is changing there.

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        • xthexder@l.sw0.comX xthexder@l.sw0.com

          If they didn’t give out tax credits then they would receive that amount in taxes. From the government’s point of view tax credits are a reduction in revenue.

          I don’t think 10% fewer tax credits would have made the difference of the factory being built or not. VW has plenty of money to pay taxes.

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          deltapi@lemmy.world
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          #95

          The whole point of the tax credits was to convince them to bring the business here in the first place.
          Decrease the tax credits by 10%, sure. The business goes elsewhere to build their factory, what’s 10% of $0?

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          • W whitebrow@lemmy.world

            Good. Eliminating all door to door deliveries is not the answer and whoever came up with that rationale needs to removed immediately.

            And again, for the people in the back: Canada post is a service. It doesn’t make money. It costs money. Same way public healthcare does.

            Why are they trying to spin it as a business that needs to generate profit or undertake cost cutting measures to exist and continue providing services that are still being widely used?

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            croquette@sh.itjust.works
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            Because lots of rich people froth at the mount trying to get in on the privatization of a public service.

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            • D deltapi@lemmy.world

              I don’t see why it should be subsidized with taxes.
              Deutsche Post manages to successfully keep mail flowing as an independent self funded service, why can’t Canada Post?
              The simple fact of the matter is that the union is unwilling to budge on finding ways to improve efficiency because the more employees they have paying dues, the more they get paid.
              If this was a private company, they’d be willing to work it out because they’d be afraid of the business folding, but here they think the well runs not just deep, but infinitely so.

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              croquette@sh.itjust.works
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              #97

              If it was a private company, they wouldn’t be obligated to serve every Canadian, no matter where they are.

              Canada Post is a public service and should be treated as such.

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                Canada Post workers walk off the job after government demands reforms | CBC News

                The union representing Canada's postal workers has called for a cross-country strike in the wake of the federal government announcing major reforms to Canada Post.

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                formfiller@lemmy.world
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                It’s crazy how governments across the world are failing their citizens but seem to have unlimited money for corruption

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                • darkassassin07@lemmy.caD darkassassin07@lemmy.ca

                  “The bottom line is this: Canada Post is effectively insolvent,” Lightbound said earlier Thursday.

                  “It provides an essential service to Canadians, and in particular to rural, remote and Indigenous communities, and Canadians are rightfully attached to it and want it saved. However, repeated bailouts from the federal government are not the solution.”

                  FFS it’s a service not a business; profit is not the goal. Paying bills for services isn’t ‘bailing out’ your service provider, it’s paying for what you’ve used.

                  Mail transit is essential for a modern civilization, and it’s not something that should be privately controlled. Having private options is fine, but there should ALWAYS be a federal mail service.

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                  chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                  #99

                  It’s a service that’s mainly used by businesses to communicate with their customers. Why should taxpayers subsidize it? Charge more for postage to businesses and make them pay for it.

                  Regular people rarely send mail to other regular people. Extremely rarely.

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                  • darkassassin07@lemmy.caD darkassassin07@lemmy.ca

                    If you want it [to be] profitable it well drop serving every address.

                    That’s not an acceptable option either. Everyone should have access to mail service and as the private services aren’t obliged to provide it, the federal system needs to step up.

                    Public services are there to serve the public, not to turn a profit. It’s this expectation of profitability that needs to change.

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                    chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                    #100

                    private services aren’t obliged to provide it

                    Private services are not allowed to provide it. Canada Post has an exclusive monopoly by law.

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                    • G grindinggears@lemmy.ca

                      What is getting so lost in all this social media outrage, is no one is proposing the total ending of mail delivery here. It’s still going to occur, just with some adjustments coming to make the service less of a capital burner, and maybe more of a service that’s matched to the reality of a modern age. It doesn’t make much sense to me that everyone is so opposed to this. Ol’ Grise Fiord is going to still receive their mail under this new proposed system. Well I mean they were until the postal union led their employees off the job once again for the umpteenth time.

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                      akuchimoya@startrek.website
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                      #101

                      I’m by no means against reduction or modification of service to match the reality of less mail being sent and delivered. Reduction of service and tax funding are not mutually exclusive.

                      But a legal mandate to serve all Canadians and a mandate for “solvency” based solely on postage are mutually exclusive in a country as geographically large as Canada with all our small, rural and remote (i.e. Unprofitable) communities.

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                      • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                        Best I can find the government gave a $1 billion loan to Canada Post.

                        The toal expenditures in the 2024 budget was $538 billion.

                        This is having $500 in wallet and being concerned that the $1 you loaned to someone could have been spent better.

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                        grindinggears@lemmy.ca
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                        #102

                        It has to start somewhere.

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                        • G grindinggears@lemmy.ca

                          It has to start somewhere.

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                          cilethesane@lemmy.ca
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                          #103

                          Maybe start somewhere that takes at least a whole 1% of the budget instead of what amounts to a rounding error.

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                          • M mrdown@lemmy.world

                            Are you an idiot? Canada has no unlimited money . Canada will keep increasing the military defense while reducing the quality of all the services

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                            jason2357@lemmy.ca
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                            Apparently I am, because I can’t parse that comment.

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                            • A auli@lemmy.ca

                              Nice one community mailboxes are close to the house. And most people already use them. So why should a select few get special treatment.

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                              macrocyclo@lemmy.ca
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                              Exactly, I have had door to door and it is less secure and unnecessary. I’m fine with having the same level of service as the other 75% of Canadians.

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                              • cilethesane@lemmy.caC cilethesane@lemmy.ca

                                We all need to set fire to billions of dollars a year…

                                Funding Canada Post is less than 1% of the government’s budget. This is not the place to focus on cutting costs.

                                You should be returning to a desk to pick up such an important document, and providing proper ID to a properly trained individual to receive such a thing, in a controlled environment.

                                How much is that going to cost? The amount of wasted money and man hours to do that justifies the cost of Canada Post.

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                                grindinggears@lemmy.ca
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                                It would probably cost quite a bit, but would it cost as much as people with white gloves going door to door? A few people at a desk for 8 hours surely has to be cheaper than a fleet of vehicles burning gas and maintenance, and numerous individuals out hand delivering passports (which need to be signed off on). Or if it was like mine this summer, I caught the bastard trying to put one of those we missed you, pick it up here flyers on my door, because he didn’t ring the doorbell and didn’t actually try to deliver it. Don’t get me started on that (different issue). But yeah so now I’ve got to go to a location and get it from a person behind a desk anyways, if I’m not there. That’s for sure super cost effective /s

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