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Scientists reverse kidney damage in mice, hope for humans next

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      over_clox@lemmy.world
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      Can we please stop curing mice and start curing humans please?

      Like what’s the fucking point, curing one of the most diseased ridden rodents? Shit, humans deliberately infect rodents with diseases.

      Humans need cures, mice and rats need traps. Why the fuck are mice getting the cures first?

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        Can we please stop curing mice and start curing humans please?

        Like what’s the fucking point, curing one of the most diseased ridden rodents? Shit, humans deliberately infect rodents with diseases.

        Humans need cures, mice and rats need traps. Why the fuck are mice getting the cures first?

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        Um… animal testing happens before human trials. That’s how science does.

        But to your point, I do hope this is safe, and successful human trials start soon. This would be a huge game changer.

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          Um… animal testing happens before human trials. That’s how science does.

          But to your point, I do hope this is safe, and successful human trials start soon. This would be a huge game changer.

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          over_clox@lemmy.world
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          Um, they can and have tested such things in Petri Dishes for quite a long time. Fuckall with the experimental live rats and monkeys and shit, they get loose and threaten the public!

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            Um, they can and have tested such things in Petri Dishes for quite a long time. Fuckall with the experimental live rats and monkeys and shit, they get loose and threaten the public!

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            Love your passion, but I can’t back ya on that one. I think animal trials are the way to go for now. I just wish the process was faster and more efficient.

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              Love your passion, but I can’t back ya on that one. I think animal trials are the way to go for now. I just wish the process was faster and more efficient.

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              bizarroland@lemmy.world
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              The only thing that would be better than animal trials would be some sort of flawless digital recreation of a human being that scientists can infinitely experiment on.

              Preferably a wide variety of human beings, white, black, Asian, native, male, female, young, old, with current diseases, without current diseases, etc., etc.

              Until that technology exists, animal testing is the next best thing.

              If you want to skip animal testing, then you’re just going to start doing Joseph Mengele’s experiments in the Nazi death camps again, and we’ve been there, and we learned a lot from it, but it was absolutely atrocious, and not worth what we got from it.

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              • PapaSkwatP PapaSkwat

                Love your passion, but I can’t back ya on that one. I think animal trials are the way to go for now. I just wish the process was faster and more efficient.

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                over_clox@lemmy.world
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                They had to kill most of the monkeys, because they’re mobile ya know…

                Petri dish experiments don’t tend to walk around and potentially bite people…

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                  The only thing that would be better than animal trials would be some sort of flawless digital recreation of a human being that scientists can infinitely experiment on.

                  Preferably a wide variety of human beings, white, black, Asian, native, male, female, young, old, with current diseases, without current diseases, etc., etc.

                  Until that technology exists, animal testing is the next best thing.

                  If you want to skip animal testing, then you’re just going to start doing Joseph Mengele’s experiments in the Nazi death camps again, and we’ve been there, and we learned a lot from it, but it was absolutely atrocious, and not worth what we got from it.

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                  over_clox@lemmy.world
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                  Animals have teeth and the potential to bite.

                  They can now grow various organ tissues in a Petri Dish, including brains, muscle, heart, blood vessels, etc.

                  Those select samples won’t just get up and walk around and bite people…

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                    Can we please stop curing mice and start curing humans please?

                    Like what’s the fucking point, curing one of the most diseased ridden rodents? Shit, humans deliberately infect rodents with diseases.

                    Humans need cures, mice and rats need traps. Why the fuck are mice getting the cures first?

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                    supervisor194@lemmy.world
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                    They have played us for absolute fools.

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                      Animals have teeth and the potential to bite.

                      They can now grow various organ tissues in a Petri Dish, including brains, muscle, heart, blood vessels, etc.

                      Those select samples won’t just get up and walk around and bite people…

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                      lemming@sh.itjust.works
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                      Lab animals don’t just run around. If they escape, there’s a serious problem in the research facility. Their teeth are only a concern for the researchers working with them.

                      Everyone would be happy if we had an easier model than animals. If organoids could give us all the answers we get from lab animals, all the scientists would be happy. Not only would it get rid of many ethical issues (and associated administrative), it would also be cheaper. Sadly, it’s not the case and we cannot effectively replace lab animals by other model systems. Not for many applications anyway.

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