A FATAL Mistake
-
Yeah the issue with F.A.T.A.L. isn’t just that it’s text and mechanics are horrifically racist and misogynistic, it’s also a terrible game. It’s clunky and clumsy and it’s difficult to play because it’s poorly written. The author spent more time thinking about his rape fantasies than figuring out how to roll them out in any coherent way.
Also, very minor in comparison, but the food section is batshit wild. It’s like written by someone who never ate before, the ideas of what makes cuisines in F.A.T.A.L. is hilariously bad.
“If you want to make a racist and misogynistic game, at least make it fun” - Gygax, probably
-
This post did not contain any content.
Tagging this as NSFW would have been appreciated. I filter those things out for a reason
-
I played a horny rpg at a kink convention that went fairly well. I suppose the nuance to the situation was “I probably want to have sex with you, but I’m not sure, why don’t we engage in some nerdy sexually charged situations and find out?”
I’ve really got to go to conventions more, I hear of so many novel things going on.
-
Tagging this as NSFW would have been appreciated. I filter those things out for a reason
Yup, sorry about that, I wasn’t sure if it qualified, but I’ll keep that in mind for future reference, apologies.
-
Yeah the issue with F.A.T.A.L. isn’t just that it’s text and mechanics are horrifically racist and misogynistic, it’s also a terrible game. It’s clunky and clumsy and it’s difficult to play because it’s poorly written. The author spent more time thinking about his rape fantasies than figuring out how to roll them out in any coherent way.
Also, very minor in comparison, but the food section is batshit wild. It’s like written by someone who never ate before, the ideas of what makes cuisines in F.A.T.A.L. is hilariously bad.
the issue … isn’t just that it’s … horrifically racist and misogynistic, it’s also a terrible game
It’s funny, but it seems like I read this phrase a lot, and not just about games (book series, movies, shows, etc). I can’t think of any other good examples off the top of my head, but it seems that every time an artist takes a really cool or interesting concept and fills it with bigotry, they also fill it with poorly written mechanics, potholes, clunky dialogue…
Sure, there’s media with language that doesn’t age well, but it seems like 9/10, when something is made with blatant hate, there isn’t even an incentive to try to push past or ignore it; the content is garbage with or without the drivel. The initial concept is just good enough to get people to want to give it a shot.
-
Yup, sorry about that, I wasn’t sure if it qualified, but I’ll keep that in mind for future reference, apologies.
Yeah, the dildo in the middle of the table pushes this one over the top
-
Yeah, the dildo in the middle of the table pushes this one over the top
Shit. Forgot about that. <br> I need to pay a lot more attention to what I post
-
“If you want to make a racist and misogynistic game, at least make it fun” - Gygax, probably
Was this Genesis or Deuteronomy?
-
This post did not contain any content.
FATAL fixes thi… Wait
-
System shared this topic on
-
Shit. Forgot about that. <br> I need to pay a lot more attention to what I post
You can edit the post to mark it as NSFW retroactively for what it’s worth
-
I’ve really got to go to conventions more, I hear of so many novel things going on.
That one was specially focused on geeky kink stuff and was pretty good. I really enjoyed the rope classes I took and a kind man welded my glasses together after a mishap in a scene in the hotel room we rented to attend. I’ve heard it waned in the past years but I imagine there’s others like it if you’re near any metropolitan area. Nerds love a flimsy pretense for sexually charged situations.
-
Sexually charged, though otherwise usual situations are also just a lot of fun.
I would argue that just flirting around with friends is like, a top 10 experience ever.
Yep, it’s entirely possible to enjoy sexual situations and content as a group without actually engaging in sex. 100% agree with the “flirting around with friends” sentiment.
-
the issue … isn’t just that it’s … horrifically racist and misogynistic, it’s also a terrible game
It’s funny, but it seems like I read this phrase a lot, and not just about games (book series, movies, shows, etc). I can’t think of any other good examples off the top of my head, but it seems that every time an artist takes a really cool or interesting concept and fills it with bigotry, they also fill it with poorly written mechanics, potholes, clunky dialogue…
Sure, there’s media with language that doesn’t age well, but it seems like 9/10, when something is made with blatant hate, there isn’t even an incentive to try to push past or ignore it; the content is garbage with or without the drivel. The initial concept is just good enough to get people to want to give it a shot.
A lot of old stuff is super racist and well made. The Birth of A Nation was revolutionary in film and influenced many future movies despite literally being a movie about how awesome the KKK are. Lovecraft was famously racist as fuck and a lot of his “Eldritch horror” was sort of a metaphor for his fears of “primitive” religions and miscegenation. Even Lord of the Rings has racist elements - JRR Tolkein said in multiple occasions that he based the dwarves on Jews, which is pretty rough to modern readers given that the dwarves are more obsessed with gold and treasure than anything else.
-
Would be hell to play, though, there’s definitely better horny RPGs to try
My issue with horny RPGs is that if you can find people to play with that are into whatever kink the book is catering to, why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.
And on the flipside, if you dont want to have sex with the people you’re playing with, why play the sexy game? Just play a regular RPG
Theres a bunch of people in my life I definitely don’t want to have sex with, but I love being horny with
I don’t personally fill that niche by playing horny RPGs but I imagine they’d be a great time with these people
-
the issue … isn’t just that it’s … horrifically racist and misogynistic, it’s also a terrible game
It’s funny, but it seems like I read this phrase a lot, and not just about games (book series, movies, shows, etc). I can’t think of any other good examples off the top of my head, but it seems that every time an artist takes a really cool or interesting concept and fills it with bigotry, they also fill it with poorly written mechanics, potholes, clunky dialogue…
Sure, there’s media with language that doesn’t age well, but it seems like 9/10, when something is made with blatant hate, there isn’t even an incentive to try to push past or ignore it; the content is garbage with or without the drivel. The initial concept is just good enough to get people to want to give it a shot.
There’s another all-time-worst game called Racial Holy War, which is exactly what you’d assume from the title. And yes, it’s incompetently made to the point where they didn’t include mechanics for ATTACKING.
-
A lot of old stuff is super racist and well made. The Birth of A Nation was revolutionary in film and influenced many future movies despite literally being a movie about how awesome the KKK are. Lovecraft was famously racist as fuck and a lot of his “Eldritch horror” was sort of a metaphor for his fears of “primitive” religions and miscegenation. Even Lord of the Rings has racist elements - JRR Tolkein said in multiple occasions that he based the dwarves on Jews, which is pretty rough to modern readers given that the dwarves are more obsessed with gold and treasure than anything else.
Actually, there aren’t any attacking mechanics because Racial Holy War is actually a very pro-peace and pacifist peace of work, didn’tcha know?
-
Would be hell to play, though, there’s definitely better horny RPGs to try
My issue with horny RPGs is that if you can find people to play with that are into whatever kink the book is catering to, why would you bother to play at all? Just have sex.
And on the flipside, if you dont want to have sex with the people you’re playing with, why play the sexy game? Just play a regular RPG
I have thought about this in embarrassing depth.
The first reason I can think of is when sex isn’t an option. Maybe you’re in a long distance relationship or something. It gives a good structure to what is essentially phone sex.
The second reason is as a form of foreplay. We already have sexy roleplay in the sheets to help set the mood, and now we’re just using character sheets instead of bed sheets. Then your “what would you like to do” can be followed by a demonstration.
This is why I think sexy RPGs should be designed for couples.
-
Actually, there aren’t any attacking mechanics because Racial Holy War is actually a very pro-peace and pacifist peace of work, didn’tcha know?
I think you replied to the wrong response
-
There’s another all-time-worst game called Racial Holy War, which is exactly what you’d assume from the title. And yes, it’s incompetently made to the point where they didn’t include mechanics for ATTACKING.
Actually, there aren’t any attacking mechanics because Racial Holy War is actually a very pro-peace and pacifist peace of work, didn’tcha know?
-
A lot of old stuff is super racist and well made. The Birth of A Nation was revolutionary in film and influenced many future movies despite literally being a movie about how awesome the KKK are. Lovecraft was famously racist as fuck and a lot of his “Eldritch horror” was sort of a metaphor for his fears of “primitive” religions and miscegenation. Even Lord of the Rings has racist elements - JRR Tolkein said in multiple occasions that he based the dwarves on Jews, which is pretty rough to modern readers given that the dwarves are more obsessed with gold and treasure than anything else.
Tolkien’s “inspiration” for Dwarves pulling from Jews is fascinating, as a Jew. I read that his thoughts were that Dwarves were a strong, resilient people who had been displaced from their homeland but maintained a strong attachment to their traditions and their craft. He saw this as a deferential depiction of Jews and was purposely trying to move away from European depictions of Jews as goblin-like monsters. What’s fascinating is how it is still riddled with antisemitic tropes such as the obsession with gold and also literally making them a different race of people who lived underground. It speaks to how deeply ingrained antisemitism was (and to an extent, still is) in the European mind while also lightly espousing Zionist ideas in how living in diaspora is somehow less than living in historical Judea.
