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Whole new meaning to 'Militant Vegan'

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  • Evkob (they/them)E Evkob (they/them)

    Memes and veganism are not the same 😕

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    horni@lemmy.world
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    Memes and memenisems are not the same.

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    • C cazssiew@lemmy.world

      I knew a guy in college who wouldn’t eat fish because he thought they were a stupid animal and it was beneath him to consume them.

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      hugenerd@lemmy.ca
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      Then he should have tried a pesca pescatarian diet.

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      • C cazssiew@lemmy.world

        I knew a guy in college who wouldn’t eat fish because he thought they were a stupid animal and it was beneath him to consume them.

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        harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        This is why I only cannibalize noble laureates in physics.

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        • C cazssiew@lemmy.world

          I knew a guy in college who wouldn’t eat fish because he thought they were a stupid animal and it was beneath him to consume them.

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          Hossenfeffer
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          I knew a super clever guy (PhD in Physics) who wouldn’t eat strawberries or tomatoes because he worried about their seeds growing inside him.

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          • A Wild Mimic appears!A A Wild Mimic appears!

            Trophic levels being a thing mean that raising cattle, which get eaten by wolves, and you eating wolf meat causes you to kill 100 times the biomass of vegetables of what you eat in wolf biomass–which would be much more focused on killing plants.

            on every step you lose about 90%. That’s the reason why being vegetarian by default uses less land for agriculture than eating meat.

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            potatoesfall@discuss.tchncs.de
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            on every step you lose about 90%

            this varies greatly. beef cattle is closer to 99% when you look at Calories.

            source (“More Comprehensive FCRs” section)

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              ziltoid1991@lemmy.world
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              My father is like that with pork, especially as he was kicked into a pile of pig shit by them during a pig slaughter.

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              • P potatoesfall@discuss.tchncs.de

                on every step you lose about 90%

                this varies greatly. beef cattle is closer to 99% when you look at Calories.

                source (“More Comprehensive FCRs” section)

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                A Wild Mimic appears!
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                Thanks for the info, i just repeated the number i learnt back in the introductory courses at university for trophic levels.

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                • S sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  I appreciate the answer, I expanded on my own… non vegan status and thoughts about this a bit more under another replier.

                  Could I ask you?:

                  How common is it among the vegans you know to apply the kind of, do as little ecological harm as possible mindset…

                  How many of them apply that to… other kinds of economic activity?

                  Like, how many vegans do you know who say, own and drive a car, that may be powered by oil from say, a fracking field?

                  I’d imagine most who are serious enough to be as ethically vegan as possible are also very much anti-capitalist as possible…

                  But at the same time, I’ve personally known a good deal of self described vegans who… regularly drive their own car to work, despite living near a transit line that would totally get them to work… and also, their work is for the corporate office of a highly exploitative (in many ways, of many things) corporation… like Amazon, or MSFT… and then get very aggreived when I just… work remotely, and tell them they should probably take the lightrail/bus.

                  (I’m from Seattle if you can’t tell lol)

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                  Zagorath
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                  do as little ecological harm as possible mindset

                  I’m not a vegan, but it’s probably worth remembering that different people might be vegan for different reasons. I can think of three main ones: animal welfare, environmental impact, and health. There’s an overlap between the first two, but it’s possible to be any one of those without being others. (Though I know a lot of particularly those who do it for animal welfare reasons like to claim that theirs is the One True Veganism and others are false.) Someone who’s only into it for animal welfare but doesn’t have a larger care for environmental impact would have no particular reason to not drive a car.

                  There’s also the simple fact that it’s impossible for most people to care about everything. It’s draining. Like I said, I’m not vegan. I’m very bad in the kitchen, and it would just be far, far too much of an imposition for me to change that. But I do try in other areas to advocate for things to reduce harm to the environment, and I try to reduce my own energy usage, for example by cycling or catching public transport. Transport and urbanism are the angle towards a better environment that I’ve chosen to focus my energy towards, and as long as someone is not actively going out of their way to cause additional harm (e.g. advocating against policy improvements in those areas) I think it’s reasonable to allow other people to focus their energy elsewhere.

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                  • HossenfefferH Hossenfeffer

                    I knew a super clever guy (PhD in Physics) who wouldn’t eat strawberries or tomatoes because he worried about their seeds growing inside him.

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                    threelonmusketeers
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                    Well he definitely didn’t have a PhD in Biology, that’s for sure.

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                    • Echedelle (she/her)E Echedelle (she/her)

                      Vegetarianism and veganism are not the same 😕

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                      strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                      Vegetarianism is a plant(and fungus)-based diet. This may be motivated by veganism/ethics, climate/environmental concerns, religion, and/or health.

                      Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is when you call yourself vegetarian but eat mostly cheese. This may be motivated by wanting to feel like a good person or imagine that you are eating a healthy, environmentally-friendly diet.

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                      • S strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                        Vegetarianism is a plant(and fungus)-based diet. This may be motivated by veganism/ethics, climate/environmental concerns, religion, and/or health.

                        Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is when you call yourself vegetarian but eat mostly cheese. This may be motivated by wanting to feel like a good person or imagine that you are eating a healthy, environmentally-friendly diet.

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                        Echedelle (she/her)
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                        There was a trend in the 80-90 to separate the diet and vegetable-based diets into ovo-lacto-vegetarianism and vegetarianism.

                        There has been a debate recently with so many “veggie” trends to revive the term in that way. With cuestionable changes to the definition of veganism implied, which like vegetarianism whose current definition comes from the vegetarian society, the definition of veganism comes from the vegan society.

                        The concepts have been very separated since then.

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                        • Echedelle (she/her)E Echedelle (she/her)

                          There was a trend in the 80-90 to separate the diet and vegetable-based diets into ovo-lacto-vegetarianism and vegetarianism.

                          There has been a debate recently with so many “veggie” trends to revive the term in that way. With cuestionable changes to the definition of veganism implied, which like vegetarianism whose current definition comes from the vegetarian society, the definition of veganism comes from the vegan society.

                          The concepts have been very separated since then.

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                          strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          I know, I was just making fun of “vegetarians”

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                          • S strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                            I know, I was just making fun of “vegetarians”

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                            Echedelle (she/her)
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                            melts

                            Eche has been deflated

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                            • Echedelle (she/her)E Echedelle (she/her)

                              melts

                              Eche has been deflated

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                              strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                              Oh shit, somebody get the bike pump

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