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US Court strikes down most of Trump's tariffs, ruling them illegal - Canada (and other) tariffs set to end in 10 days.

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    humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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      Stamets
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      I’m assuming we’re going to drop some of our relatiatory tarrifs then. Really hoping we don’t. Fuck 'em.

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        I’m assuming we’re going to drop some of our relatiatory tarrifs then. Really hoping we don’t. Fuck 'em.

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        humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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        There’s an appeal plan, and it’s possible that they try to keep the tariffs during appeal process. That the US hates Canada hasn’t changed.

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          There’s an appeal plan, and it’s possible that they try to keep the tariffs during appeal process. That the US hates Canada hasn’t changed.

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          Oh trust me, the feeling is mutual. Part of me has been glad that the US has been pulling this shit because it has put every other Canadian on the same page as me. That the United States (as an institution, not individual Americans) is an outright threat to our sovereignty, meddle in too many peoples business, take advantage of us and the rest of the world and is generally the scum of the western earth.

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            NFL233
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            Lock him up

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              macrocyclo@lemmy.ca
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              Wild. I thought this would happen. He tried putting on the tariffs with a flimsy reasoning (fentanyl) and since in reality there is no fentanyl problem coming from Canada they were deemed illegal.

              All he needs to do is get congress to pass this. They have a majority in both houses, if you want these tariffs, do it the proper way.

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              • M macrocyclo@lemmy.ca

                Wild. I thought this would happen. He tried putting on the tariffs with a flimsy reasoning (fentanyl) and since in reality there is no fentanyl problem coming from Canada they were deemed illegal.

                All he needs to do is get congress to pass this. They have a majority in both houses, if you want these tariffs, do it the proper way.

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                humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                afaiu, the court argument is not declaring that this is a fake emergency. It is that tariffs are not the appropriate response to reducing fentanyl imports.

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                  afaiu, the court argument is not declaring that this is a fake emergency. It is that tariffs are not the appropriate response to reducing fentanyl imports.

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                  extanthuman@lemm.ee
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                  Well yeah, putting tariffs on that penguin Island, all of Europe, and whatever else the LLM told him isn’t going to do fuck all to reduce any fentanyl he claims is coming from Mexico

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                    Lock him up

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                      There’s an appeal plan, and it’s possible that they try to keep the tariffs during appeal process. That the US hates Canada hasn’t changed.

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                      gamegod@lemmy.ca
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                      That the US hates Canada hasn’t changed.

                      This is just total nonsense, like most of the garbage that you post here. Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada. We’re close allies and our biggest trading partners. There is no animosity between our peoples and the only ones who say there is are our enemies trying to seed division.

                      (This guy runs a Russian propaganda sub on Lemmy.ca, check his history.)

                      Your comment fits into your low effort Russian astroturing campaign where everybody in the west is bad and hates each other and Russia is good and should be allowed to invade anyone they want. Fuck off.

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                        thepantser@sh.itjust.works
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                        Both of them!

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                          That the US hates Canada hasn’t changed.

                          This is just total nonsense, like most of the garbage that you post here. Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada. We’re close allies and our biggest trading partners. There is no animosity between our peoples and the only ones who say there is are our enemies trying to seed division.

                          (This guy runs a Russian propaganda sub on Lemmy.ca, check his history.)

                          Your comment fits into your low effort Russian astroturing campaign where everybody in the west is bad and hates each other and Russia is good and should be allowed to invade anyone they want. Fuck off.

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                          humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                          Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada.

                          The US political rulership, including retired UAW workers, is largely supportive of Trump’s unjustified attack on Canada. There was a timid non-binding resolution in Senate, but there is no mass protest, or passionate vocal condemnation, of Trump/US attack on Canada. Instead, the poltical establishment recommendation is that the US needs to leverage its traditional soft power subjugation of its colonies that corrupts our democracy into unanimous subservience, and has historically been so successful, but that political establishment accepts a wait and see approach to Trump’s extortion tactics.

                          Imminent US collapse is what elected Trump, and his confident grasping at straws that effectively accelerates collapse is beyond the intellectual capacity of the public to understand its counterproductiveness. Stealing from allies economies will sell well to morons who don’t understand long term consequences, and potentially stave off collapse for a few years. Instead of grasping at straws of Russian mind control for hatred of immigrants and queers, understand the oil industry’s lobbying and disinformation campaigns to inject cultural issues to preserve their dominance for a few years in the face of civilizational collapse. Understand also how war on Russia massively funded that lobbying/disinformation power in Canada and US during last election cycle. It will fund Alberta separation disunity as well.

                          Being anti-demonic warmongering lies and propaganda is not Pro Russia. Forcing Russia to defend itself, and use entire world’s diesel refining capacity is forcing the collapse of civilization. It is always easy to prioritize demonic war over human sustainability, because of gullible and hateful people victimized by liars. Allying with a demonic US empire that has shown it hates us, at the relevant government/policy level, is contempt for humanity, not just Canada. That most Americans are polite enough to be likeable doesn’t affect US policy.

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                            That the US hates Canada hasn’t changed.

                            This is just total nonsense, like most of the garbage that you post here. Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada. We’re close allies and our biggest trading partners. There is no animosity between our peoples and the only ones who say there is are our enemies trying to seed division.

                            (This guy runs a Russian propaganda sub on Lemmy.ca, check his history.)

                            Your comment fits into your low effort Russian astroturing campaign where everybody in the west is bad and hates each other and Russia is good and should be allowed to invade anyone they want. Fuck off.

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                            kichae@lemmy.ca
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                            Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada

                            Maybe they shouldn’t have voted for the guy that treated us exactly the same last time, then.

                            America, as a country, is a fascist state, and an international bully, and has been for a long time. The USA is what a fascist representative democracy looks like, and Americans should remain embarrassed by their country until they come to terms with that and fix it.

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                              humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                              Apparently, only $1B of Canadian goods would become tariff exempt.

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                                Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada

                                Maybe they shouldn’t have voted for the guy that treated us exactly the same last time, then.

                                America, as a country, is a fascist state, and an international bully, and has been for a long time. The USA is what a fascist representative democracy looks like, and Americans should remain embarrassed by their country until they come to terms with that and fix it.

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                                gamegod@lemmy.ca
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                                Alright that’s a fair take

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                                  Talk to Americans - they’re embarrassed by how their government is treating Canada.

                                  The US political rulership, including retired UAW workers, is largely supportive of Trump’s unjustified attack on Canada. There was a timid non-binding resolution in Senate, but there is no mass protest, or passionate vocal condemnation, of Trump/US attack on Canada. Instead, the poltical establishment recommendation is that the US needs to leverage its traditional soft power subjugation of its colonies that corrupts our democracy into unanimous subservience, and has historically been so successful, but that political establishment accepts a wait and see approach to Trump’s extortion tactics.

                                  Imminent US collapse is what elected Trump, and his confident grasping at straws that effectively accelerates collapse is beyond the intellectual capacity of the public to understand its counterproductiveness. Stealing from allies economies will sell well to morons who don’t understand long term consequences, and potentially stave off collapse for a few years. Instead of grasping at straws of Russian mind control for hatred of immigrants and queers, understand the oil industry’s lobbying and disinformation campaigns to inject cultural issues to preserve their dominance for a few years in the face of civilizational collapse. Understand also how war on Russia massively funded that lobbying/disinformation power in Canada and US during last election cycle. It will fund Alberta separation disunity as well.

                                  Being anti-demonic warmongering lies and propaganda is not Pro Russia. Forcing Russia to defend itself, and use entire world’s diesel refining capacity is forcing the collapse of civilization. It is always easy to prioritize demonic war over human sustainability, because of gullible and hateful people victimized by liars. Allying with a demonic US empire that has shown it hates us, at the relevant government/policy level, is contempt for humanity, not just Canada. That most Americans are polite enough to be likeable doesn’t affect US policy.

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                                  gamegod@lemmy.ca
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                                  How come half the time you write in broken English, and the other half with sweeping paragraphs of perfect English? But it always ends with Russian propaganda like the west is forcing Russia to defend itself by invading their peaceful neighbour, Ukraine. (I guess the irony of saying that in this particular thread is lost on you…)

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                                    How come half the time you write in broken English, and the other half with sweeping paragraphs of perfect English? But it always ends with Russian propaganda like the west is forcing Russia to defend itself by invading their peaceful neighbour, Ukraine. (I guess the irony of saying that in this particular thread is lost on you…)

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                                    humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                                    in 2014, the US bragged spending $5B on Ukrainian coup, and installing nazi puppet rulership. That rulership immediately, as Ukrainian nazi did in Georgia, implemented apartheid laws and ethnic cleansing against Russian population that forced secessionist/autonomy movement. Russia spent 8 years pursuing peaceful resolution to nazi evil, that the west boasted as being a delay tactic to arm Ukraine sufficiently to provoke war. The war’s objectives are to keep a nazified militarized NATO aspirant Ukraine, to diminish Russia to the last Ukrainian. To this day, no matter how dim the prospects, Ukrainian terrorist missile capability is cheered on and enhanced to prevent peace and territorial/people integrity.

                                    That you describe reality as pro Russia is demonic hatred to perpetuate a losing war to no benefit to anyone but weapons and oil profit grifters. You are directly responsible for the breakdown in unity and democracy even if you are just gullible rather than a liar profiting from evil.

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                                      in 2014, the US bragged spending $5B on Ukrainian coup, and installing nazi puppet rulership. That rulership immediately, as Ukrainian nazi did in Georgia, implemented apartheid laws and ethnic cleansing against Russian population that forced secessionist/autonomy movement. Russia spent 8 years pursuing peaceful resolution to nazi evil, that the west boasted as being a delay tactic to arm Ukraine sufficiently to provoke war. The war’s objectives are to keep a nazified militarized NATO aspirant Ukraine, to diminish Russia to the last Ukrainian. To this day, no matter how dim the prospects, Ukrainian terrorist missile capability is cheered on and enhanced to prevent peace and territorial/people integrity.

                                      That you describe reality as pro Russia is demonic hatred to perpetuate a losing war to no benefit to anyone but weapons and oil profit grifters. You are directly responsible for the breakdown in unity and democracy even if you are just gullible rather than a liar profiting from evil.

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                                      healthetank@lemmy.ca
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                                      implemented apartheid laws and ethnic cleansing against Russian population that forced secessionist/autonomy movement.

                                      Uuuh, gonna need some kind of proof on this one boss. AFAIK there’s been 0 proof of any kind of ethnic cleansing. Source

                                      I don’t disagree that the US has been meddling in international affairs for a looooong time.

                                      But I have yet to speak to any Ukrainians who disagree with the basic core facts that the war was started by Russian aggression and a desire for USSR levels of territory, and we’ve got nearly a dozen families sponsored over here in my community. Canada has historically had the highest level of Ukrainians outside of Ukraine, and its bizzare that you’re trying to argue that Russia is the GOOD guy here. There is ample proof of their war crimes.

                                      Bonus points if you can give me any examples of war where the side that is the defender was the bad guy/where aggression in order to violently control the political scene was viewed as a good thing. People routinely condemn the US for the very thing you’re claiming Russia is doing.

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                                        implemented apartheid laws and ethnic cleansing against Russian population that forced secessionist/autonomy movement.

                                        Uuuh, gonna need some kind of proof on this one boss. AFAIK there’s been 0 proof of any kind of ethnic cleansing. Source

                                        I don’t disagree that the US has been meddling in international affairs for a looooong time.

                                        But I have yet to speak to any Ukrainians who disagree with the basic core facts that the war was started by Russian aggression and a desire for USSR levels of territory, and we’ve got nearly a dozen families sponsored over here in my community. Canada has historically had the highest level of Ukrainians outside of Ukraine, and its bizzare that you’re trying to argue that Russia is the GOOD guy here. There is ample proof of their war crimes.

                                        Bonus points if you can give me any examples of war where the side that is the defender was the bad guy/where aggression in order to violently control the political scene was viewed as a good thing. People routinely condemn the US for the very thing you’re claiming Russia is doing.

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                                        humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                                        been 0 proof of any kind of ethnic cleansing

                                        At least 10000 killed through shelling and other nazi operations. Odessa massacre.

                                        the war was started by Russian aggression and a desire for USSR levels of territory

                                        Complete lie. Russia’s terms for peace are about the same as to have not started the war. No NATO, demilitarized if they need hateful rulers, but preferably denazified with fair elections. Terms that were always going to end war immediately.

                                        examples of war where the side that is the defender was the bad guy/where aggression in order to violently control the political scene was viewed as a good thing. People routinely condemn the US for the very thing you’re claiming Russia is doing.

                                        War on Russia was 100% provoked by US puppeted Ukraine. JFK was allowed to set red lines on Cuban missiles. Your theory is that all bar fights are started by the one seen throwing the first punch.

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                                          Rentlar
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                                          Oh. Tariffs are back already, kinda, kinda not (an appeals court granted a temporary stay, so the tariff halting has halted).

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