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Carney to brief premiers on plan to fast-track major nation-building projects

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  • Cows Look Like MapsC Cows Look Like Maps

    "The proposed legislation would allow the Carney cabinet to make regulations to modify federal regulatory requirements for all projects determined to be in the country’s national interest.

    He said national interest projects will include “pipelines that make sense,” clean energy grids, trade corridors, nuclear facilities, critical minerals and carbon-capture facilities"

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    compactflax@discuss.tchncs.de
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    I use a lot of fossil fuels and t think they’re going to last longer than some government goals suggest, but I’m not certain that any new pipelines make sense, anywhere in the world. Fix up and maintain the existing ones until they can be mothballed. Maybe there’s an argument to be made that exiting fossil fuels leaves market for other countries, or something, but investing heavily in a technology that we know for certain is hurting humanity’s chances of survival doesn’t seem bright.

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    • Cows Look Like MapsC Cows Look Like Maps

      "The proposed legislation would allow the Carney cabinet to make regulations to modify federal regulatory requirements for all projects determined to be in the country’s national interest.

      He said national interest projects will include “pipelines that make sense,” clean energy grids, trade corridors, nuclear facilities, critical minerals and carbon-capture facilities"

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      Moose Winooski
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      For all his talk about increasing economic productivity in terms of producing more goods, all I see is more resource extraction.

      Carbon capture is a darling of the oil industry that allows them to keep doing business as usual. It requires an insane amount of often unclean electricity and is vapourware that does not work at scale. Oil companies love carbon capture, just like they love “natural gas” that lets them sell biproducts of fracking.

      Nuclear is great but our climate does not have the 10 years it takes to build a reactor.

      Where we’re headed, we’ll end up with more oil output, more emissions, more car-dependency, and a bunch of partially completed projects in 10 years.

      This needs more focus on low carbon public transit and fast and achievable solar and wind.

      It is abundantly clear that even if every automobile was replaced with an EV, we’d still bake our planet. Mining the ring of fire is a profit-seeking, extractive venture and not a climate solution.

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      • C compactflax@discuss.tchncs.de

        I use a lot of fossil fuels and t think they’re going to last longer than some government goals suggest, but I’m not certain that any new pipelines make sense, anywhere in the world. Fix up and maintain the existing ones until they can be mothballed. Maybe there’s an argument to be made that exiting fossil fuels leaves market for other countries, or something, but investing heavily in a technology that we know for certain is hurting humanity’s chances of survival doesn’t seem bright.

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        kichae@lemmy.ca
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        Not without refineries at the other end of them, for sure. Otherwise, we’re not even benefiting from the damage we’re doing. And even then, it takes a long time to build a refinery.

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        • C compactflax@discuss.tchncs.de

          I use a lot of fossil fuels and t think they’re going to last longer than some government goals suggest, but I’m not certain that any new pipelines make sense, anywhere in the world. Fix up and maintain the existing ones until they can be mothballed. Maybe there’s an argument to be made that exiting fossil fuels leaves market for other countries, or something, but investing heavily in a technology that we know for certain is hurting humanity’s chances of survival doesn’t seem bright.

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          fireretardant@lemmy.world
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          I think the current global mindset is fossil fuels won’t be used as much for fuel, but plastics are still booming. The next fossil fuel race will be who can make the most plastic. I can’t say that its better for the planet.

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          • Cows Look Like MapsC Cows Look Like Maps

            "The proposed legislation would allow the Carney cabinet to make regulations to modify federal regulatory requirements for all projects determined to be in the country’s national interest.

            He said national interest projects will include “pipelines that make sense,” clean energy grids, trade corridors, nuclear facilities, critical minerals and carbon-capture facilities"

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            fireretardant@lemmy.world
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            Hopefully Doug Ford’s highway and highway tunnel don’t make the list but high speed rail does.

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            • Cows Look Like MapsC Cows Look Like Maps

              "The proposed legislation would allow the Carney cabinet to make regulations to modify federal regulatory requirements for all projects determined to be in the country’s national interest.

              He said national interest projects will include “pipelines that make sense,” clean energy grids, trade corridors, nuclear facilities, critical minerals and carbon-capture facilities"

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              toastmeister@lemmy.ca
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              Doomberg was saying Carney was going to run for election in order to push pipelines through Quebec for a while now, using a separation crisis to do so. All his predictions seem to be coming true.

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                "The proposed legislation would allow the Carney cabinet to make regulations to modify federal regulatory requirements for all projects determined to be in the country’s national interest.

                He said national interest projects will include “pipelines that make sense,” clean energy grids, trade corridors, nuclear facilities, critical minerals and carbon-capture facilities"

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                driftinglynx@lemmy.ca
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                I guess it all hinges on which pipelines “make sense”; if none, I approve 🤷

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                • T toastmeister@lemmy.ca

                  Doomberg was saying Carney was going to run for election in order to push pipelines through Quebec for a while now, using a separation crisis to do so. All his predictions seem to be coming true.

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                  tleb@lemmy.ca
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                  What separation crisis? Alberta having a hissy fit over the election is hardly a crisis, and anyway, Quebec doesn’t give a shit. Quebecers themselves do support a pipeline, so I don’t think you can say the government will “push” anything through.

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                  • Cows Look Like MapsC Cows Look Like Maps

                    "The proposed legislation would allow the Carney cabinet to make regulations to modify federal regulatory requirements for all projects determined to be in the country’s national interest.

                    He said national interest projects will include “pipelines that make sense,” clean energy grids, trade corridors, nuclear facilities, critical minerals and carbon-capture facilities"

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                    snoons@lemmy.ca
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                    can i has rrrrrreeallly fast train to take me from vancouer to toronto pls thk

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                    • M Moose Winooski

                      For all his talk about increasing economic productivity in terms of producing more goods, all I see is more resource extraction.

                      Carbon capture is a darling of the oil industry that allows them to keep doing business as usual. It requires an insane amount of often unclean electricity and is vapourware that does not work at scale. Oil companies love carbon capture, just like they love “natural gas” that lets them sell biproducts of fracking.

                      Nuclear is great but our climate does not have the 10 years it takes to build a reactor.

                      Where we’re headed, we’ll end up with more oil output, more emissions, more car-dependency, and a bunch of partially completed projects in 10 years.

                      This needs more focus on low carbon public transit and fast and achievable solar and wind.

                      It is abundantly clear that even if every automobile was replaced with an EV, we’d still bake our planet. Mining the ring of fire is a profit-seeking, extractive venture and not a climate solution.

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                      stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca
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                      In order to produce more goods you need the energy infrastructure to support it. The problem is that things take time and a lack of investment over time in various sectors means we will be behind for some time.

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                      • T toastmeister@lemmy.ca

                        Doomberg was saying Carney was going to run for election in order to push pipelines through Quebec for a while now, using a separation crisis to do so. All his predictions seem to be coming true.

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                        Moose Winooski
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                        You don’t want to be on the opposite side of pissed off Montréalers. They riot like the French and would fiercely fight any attempts by the feds to force a pipeline on Québec. The entire Bloc Québécois would have their back too. Bad idea.

                        Liberals wouldn’t get a seat in Quebec for years…

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                        • M Moose Winooski

                          For all his talk about increasing economic productivity in terms of producing more goods, all I see is more resource extraction.

                          Carbon capture is a darling of the oil industry that allows them to keep doing business as usual. It requires an insane amount of often unclean electricity and is vapourware that does not work at scale. Oil companies love carbon capture, just like they love “natural gas” that lets them sell biproducts of fracking.

                          Nuclear is great but our climate does not have the 10 years it takes to build a reactor.

                          Where we’re headed, we’ll end up with more oil output, more emissions, more car-dependency, and a bunch of partially completed projects in 10 years.

                          This needs more focus on low carbon public transit and fast and achievable solar and wind.

                          It is abundantly clear that even if every automobile was replaced with an EV, we’d still bake our planet. Mining the ring of fire is a profit-seeking, extractive venture and not a climate solution.

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                          notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world
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                          SMRs should take less than 10 years and the one about to be built will be ready well before that in theory. The problem is they’re so new here that even if it works and everything goes according to plan, it’s probably a couple decades before it’s even begun to scale.

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                          • S snoons@lemmy.ca

                            can i has rrrrrreeallly fast train to take me from vancouer to toronto pls thk

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                            lostwon@lemmy.ca
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                            Comfy, smooth, and fast like the shinkansen. 🤩

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                              Comfy, smooth, and fast like the shinkansen. 🤩

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                              snoons@lemmy.ca
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                              maplesen!

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                                can i has rrrrrreeallly fast train to take me from vancouer to toronto pls thk

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                                Pyr
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                                Or like, a reasonably quick train that takes me from chilliwack to Vancouver?

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                                  Or like, a reasonably quick train that takes me from chilliwack to Vancouver?

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                                  snoons@lemmy.ca
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                                  a beret train

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                                    can i has rrrrrreeallly fast train to take me from vancouer to toronto pls thk

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                                    acargitz
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                                    No sir, “nation building” means pipelines.

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                                      No sir, “nation building” means pipelines.

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                                      shaggysnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
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                                      Moving oil from one part of the country to another part of the country. Really makes me feel connected to everyone. /s

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