Same thing happened with NAFTA. We sold so many industries down the river for French cows.

I am very disappointed that we are retaliating slowly but conceding quickly. If no deal is reached by the deadline or we get a stupid letter dictating the universal tariff, put the DST back on.

Fair enough. There’s a push and pull in negotiations that we (generally) don’t see. I’m trying to read the tea leaves to figure out why Carney would ditch the DST, and this is a possible reason. I can’t know if it’s the reason. But it’s interesting to think about.

We aren’t unique in having a tax like this,

I think we’re unique in that we made our tax retroactive.

and the US has no place saying it’s unfair when it’s not even only foreign companies paying.

Generally, I agree that the US has no place dictating our tax policy, but they are within their rights to control their trade with us. 90% of the companies paying are US tech companies (I think that’s in the Globe explainer), so I can see why poking us to see what they can get. I don’t like it, but that’s (sadly) irrelevant.

Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:

Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.

(From the Globe)

That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.

Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:

83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.

During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.

I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?

There was a lot of talk about elbows up, but I’m unclear what is being taxed and how. There’s a list, but I don’t know what that represents in terms of financial cost to Canadian buyers and US producers.

Like, is it a tiny bit of posturing for the home crowd, or is it something that will hurt US industries (and Canadian buyers)? I don’t know.

Some of the existing countertariffs are targeted specifically at the southern states (thus oranges, sugar, tobacco, and such) who tend to be more likely to vote Republican. The idea was originally less “strike out against everyone in the US even if they didn’t want this” and more “hurt the people who caused this mess”. How well that’s worked in practice is difficult to say.

Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:

Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.

(From the Globe)

That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.

Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:

83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.

During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.

I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?

But it’s not going to work. The argument assumes standard negotiation rules are in play. This is a bully who’s willing to blow up the trade deal because he thinks even a loss will be an annexation win.

Yeah there’s definitely a big picture

I just can’t take anything the current US admin says as serious, so when they say they’ll walk away I would want to call that bluff.

Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:

Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.

(From the Globe)

That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.

Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:

83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.

During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.

I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?

I think at this point we’re just buying time to diversify trade. It’s incredibly stupid to to think factories can be built in two weeks or even that businesses can source products from suppliers in other countries in that time frame. This is seemingly what Trump thinks, but yeah, it’s stupid.

So I’m hoping they’re doing everything needed to end dependence on the US in the background while mitigating the impact of Trump’s nonsense in the short term. But as @sbv@sh.itjust.works says, we can’t really know we’re just reading tea leaves.

He doesn’t want to give Trump anything to bully on in public, now that he has made a concession.

Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:

Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.

(From the Globe)

That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.

Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:

83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.

During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.

I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?

Hahahaa, that is a funny joke. Unless you are serious, then it is a not good take, if you give Trump a centimetre he will take the whole damn ruler and then demand every other ruler in the country.

Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:

Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.

(From the Globe)

That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.

Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:

83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.

During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.

I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?

This theory is only falsifiable if Carney breaks an explicit promise he made during the election.

If supply management isn’t dropped (by the way, Trump is already going after it, now that Carney caved on the DST) then you’ll want to claim that this theory of yours was correct - but in reality, Carney’s pathetic capitulation on the DST likely has absolutely nothing to do with keeping supply management.

Regardless, if Carney doesn’t break this unambiguous election promise, that’s not a cause for celebration or congratulations. He could’ve passed a bill to protect supply management - was asked directly to do so - and he intentionally didn’t do it.

It’s almost as if he wants to be strong-armed into giving it away. And boy oh boy I can’t wait to hear from his sycophantic fans why it was actually a genius move to get rid of supply management, once it’s gone.

A problem I see with this is that it is going to become unsafe to consume food stuffs coming from the US very soon. RFK would rather watch people die then put in the proper health requirements, if there is no requirements than capitalism will do what capitalism does and cut costs.

Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:

Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.

(From the Globe)

That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.

Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:

83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.

During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.

I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?

Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:

Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.

(From the Globe)

That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.

Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:

83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.

During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.

I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?