Canada dropped the Digital Services Tax because of dairy supply management
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Some of the existing countertariffs are targeted specifically at the southern states (thus oranges, sugar, tobacco, and such) who tend to be more likely to vote Republican. The idea was originally less “strike out against everyone in the US even if they didn’t want this” and more “hurt the people who caused this mess”. How well that’s worked in practice is difficult to say.
That original strategy was a good one - I think it was used to strong effect during the first Trump presidency. I hope these tariffs are equally effective, but I haven’t heard too much since they were implemented.
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He doesn’t want to give Trump anything to bully on in public, now that he has made a concession.
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Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:
Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.
(From the Globe)
That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.
Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:
83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.
During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.
I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?
But it’s not going to work. The argument assumes standard negotiation rules are in play. This is a bully who’s willing to blow up the trade deal because he thinks even a loss will be an annexation win.
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But it’s not going to work. The argument assumes standard negotiation rules are in play. This is a bully who’s willing to blow up the trade deal because he thinks even a loss will be an annexation win.
I guess we’ll find out in a few weeks.
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Yeah there’s definitely a big picture
I just can’t take anything the current US admin says as serious, so when they say they’ll walk away I would want to call that bluff.
I think at this point we’re just buying time to diversify trade. It’s incredibly stupid to to think factories can be built in two weeks or even that businesses can source products from suppliers in other countries in that time frame. This is seemingly what Trump thinks, but yeah, it’s stupid.
So I’m hoping they’re doing everything needed to end dependence on the US in the background while mitigating the impact of Trump’s nonsense in the short term. But as @sbv@sh.itjust.works says, we can’t really know we’re just reading tea leaves.
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Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:
Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.
(From the Globe)
That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.
Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:
83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.
During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.
I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?
Evidence really is sparse. Nonexistent, even
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I think at this point we’re just buying time to diversify trade. It’s incredibly stupid to to think factories can be built in two weeks or even that businesses can source products from suppliers in other countries in that time frame. This is seemingly what Trump thinks, but yeah, it’s stupid.
So I’m hoping they’re doing everything needed to end dependence on the US in the background while mitigating the impact of Trump’s nonsense in the short term. But as @sbv@sh.itjust.works says, we can’t really know we’re just reading tea leaves.
You’re right. There’s no “done” here. There’s a tonne of work to be done to diversify our economy and trading partners - it’ll be an ongoing burden because we don’t have any other adjacent markets.
Anyhow. My perspective isn’t as gloomy as other commenters. There were international rules around digital services taxes being negotiated before Trump came along. AFAIU they stalled, but this crap seems like a good reason to get them started again.
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He doesn’t want to give Trump anything to bully on in public, now that he has made a concession.
Hahahaa, that is a funny joke. Unless you are serious, then it is a not good take, if you give Trump a centimetre he will take the whole damn ruler and then demand every other ruler in the country.
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Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:
Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.
(From the Globe)
That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.
Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:
83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.
During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.
I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?
A problem I see with this is that it is going to become unsafe to consume food stuffs coming from the US very soon. RFK would rather watch people die then put in the proper health requirements, if there is no requirements than capitalism will do what capitalism does and cut costs.
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Hahahaa, that is a funny joke. Unless you are serious, then it is a not good take, if you give Trump a centimetre he will take the whole damn ruler and then demand every other ruler in the country.
You are right except for one thing. Trump likes to show off when he wins, and Trump is never there for the real negotiations.
Give him his win (narcissistic fulfilllment) and them move on to the real negotiations with the adults.
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Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:
Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.
(From the Globe)
That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.
Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:
83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.
During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.
I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?
This theory is only falsifiable if Carney breaks an explicit promise he made during the election.
If supply management isn’t dropped (by the way, Trump is already going after it, now that Carney caved on the DST) then you’ll want to claim that this theory of yours was correct - but in reality, Carney’s pathetic capitulation on the DST likely has absolutely nothing to do with keeping supply management.
Regardless, if Carney doesn’t break this unambiguous election promise, that’s not a cause for celebration or congratulations. He could’ve passed a bill to protect supply management - was asked directly to do so - and he intentionally didn’t do it.
It’s almost as if he wants to be strong-armed into giving it away. And boy oh boy I can’t wait to hear from his sycophantic fans why it was actually a genius move to get rid of supply management, once it’s gone.
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This theory is only falsifiable if Carney breaks an explicit promise he made during the election.
If supply management isn’t dropped (by the way, Trump is already going after it, now that Carney caved on the DST) then you’ll want to claim that this theory of yours was correct - but in reality, Carney’s pathetic capitulation on the DST likely has absolutely nothing to do with keeping supply management.
Regardless, if Carney doesn’t break this unambiguous election promise, that’s not a cause for celebration or congratulations. He could’ve passed a bill to protect supply management - was asked directly to do so - and he intentionally didn’t do it.
It’s almost as if he wants to be strong-armed into giving it away. And boy oh boy I can’t wait to hear from his sycophantic fans why it was actually a genius move to get rid of supply management, once it’s gone.
Carney has few fans. He doesn’t need them.
The alternative to Carney, realistically, is Polyestre or someone like him.
The minute he gets as bad as any of them, they’ll split the hillbilly vote and the oranges will take it.
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A problem I see with this is that it is going to become unsafe to consume food stuffs coming from the US very soon. RFK would rather watch people die then put in the proper health requirements, if there is no requirements than capitalism will do what capitalism does and cut costs.
It already has become unsafe. The regime has cut food testing and all the people who do that work months ago in favor of contracting those services. Problem is no one has been contracted and it can only be assumed with the massive cuts it will not be.
This applies to Canadian goods because our former reciprocal goods trading for fresh foods was tested in the country of production, using standardized testing for export to Canada with the exception of a few specific items and tests for pesticide and insecticide residues. That means the US tests all the food they export to Canada prior to export and we do not retest prior to sale.
Except they don’t test any longer.
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Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:
Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.
(From the Globe)
That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.
Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:
83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.
During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.
I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?
We had already won the trade negotiations because they had ended, Carney is here to replace all American trade with other countries. Not to prop up our enemy’s economy until they can kill us
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Here’s my theory: Carney dropped the DST because of supply management on dairy. My evidence is sparse, but:
Last month, the U.S. and Britain announced a trade deal related to a range of products. But Britain’s 2-per-cent DST was not affected.
(From the Globe)
That shows other countries have a DST but that hasn’t been a sticking point in trade negotiations.
Meanwhile, Quebec really likes supply management:
83 per cent of Quebecers want governments to do everything in their power to protect the country’s supply management system.
During the next election, Carney will probably need Quebec’s support to stay in power. By giving up the DST, Carney may be able to keep supply management for dairy, and avoid alienating Quebec voters.
I guess we’ll see during the final negotiations. Do our dairy farmers get to keep their protections?
Weak and timid liberals are paving the road to rabid right wing extremists. It happened in the US and Italy, it’s happening in the UK and France, to an extent in Germany, and now here.
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This theory is only falsifiable if Carney breaks an explicit promise he made during the election.
If supply management isn’t dropped (by the way, Trump is already going after it, now that Carney caved on the DST) then you’ll want to claim that this theory of yours was correct - but in reality, Carney’s pathetic capitulation on the DST likely has absolutely nothing to do with keeping supply management.
Regardless, if Carney doesn’t break this unambiguous election promise, that’s not a cause for celebration or congratulations. He could’ve passed a bill to protect supply management - was asked directly to do so - and he intentionally didn’t do it.
It’s almost as if he wants to be strong-armed into giving it away. And boy oh boy I can’t wait to hear from his sycophantic fans why it was actually a genius move to get rid of supply management, once it’s gone.
Regardless, if Carney doesn’t break this unambiguous election promise, that’s not a cause for celebration or congratulations. He could’ve passed a bill to protect supply management - was asked directly to do so - and he intentionally didn’t do it.
Then what’s this.
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Regardless, if Carney doesn’t break this unambiguous election promise, that’s not a cause for celebration or congratulations. He could’ve passed a bill to protect supply management - was asked directly to do so - and he intentionally didn’t do it.
Then what’s this.
Ah ok, I stand corrected - thanks for this.
Although Carney did say as recently as April that he believed legislation like this was “not necessary”, so I’ll stand by my comment insofar as it reflects/reflected Carney’s position. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/carney-says-law-protecting-canadas-022837900.html
