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  • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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    Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

    Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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    Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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    buske@lemmy.world
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    Welp big group, none of us are in it. Time to dig some infrastructure.

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    • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

      This seems really premature. I dislike Carney’s policies for a bunch of reasons, but it’s premature to shit on him for this. We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

      The last time Trump threw one of these tantrums, NAFTA morphed into USMCA without much of a hit to our economy (afaiu). If our government can repeat that success while we’re diversifying our economy away from the US then that’s a win.

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      disaster@sh.itjust.works
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      Well, there was this thing a couple of weeks ago when international law as well as agreed upon nuclear safeguards and processes were well and truly shredded by a genocidal maniac, then he came out tutting against the guys that got attacked out of the blue just like every other G7 lapdog. So far, unimpressed.

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      • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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        Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

        Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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        CityNews Vancouver (vancouver.citynews.ca)

        Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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        ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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        He needs to resign

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        • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

          Then why would Trump object to it then?

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          routhinator@startrek.website
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          Because it targets his buddies Zuck and Besos.

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          • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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            Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

            Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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            CityNews Vancouver (vancouver.citynews.ca)

            Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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            ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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            https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/connect/contact

            Write to him

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            • L lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca

              Y’all are remembering that it’s us Canadians that will be paying this tax, right? It’s not going to affect any company’s bottom line in the slightest.

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              ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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              That’s fine, it allows Canadian companies (that pay tax on money earned in Canada) to compete

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              • M madcaesar@lemmy.world

                I mean… On the things to cave on… Caving on a tax paid by CANADIANS is not the worst thing in the world.

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                ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                But the bigger part here is that we finally stopped trade negotiations, and now we can assume this means they are starting again

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                • routhinator@startrek.websiteR routhinator@startrek.website

                  Because it targets his buddies Zuck and Besos.

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                  circav@lemmy.ca
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                  #69

                  Does it target the billionaire tech bros or will Canadians pay it? Which one is it?? If Canadians are gonna pay it - why would Trump care? If it targets billionaire bros - big whoop! It’s so small it doesn’t even register.

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                  • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                    Does it target the billionaire tech bros or will Canadians pay it? Which one is it?? If Canadians are gonna pay it - why would Trump care? If it targets billionaire bros - big whoop! It’s so small it doesn’t even register.

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                    routhinator@startrek.website
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                    Canadians pay it and are hopefully turned to other options, smaller companies, and hopefully Canadian ones. That would drive Amazon’s business down, and that hurts the billionaires more than the tax.

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                    • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                      Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

                      Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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                      CityNews Vancouver (vancouver.citynews.ca)

                      Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                      sillyglow@lemmy.ca
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                      #71

                      So does no one here understand the concept of manufactured chaos as a distraction ?

                      The service tax was put in place ages ago but was never enforced. It’s the same trick with the whole border czar bullshit where Donald needs to feel big about something as a distraction despite its a throw away card and often something that was already agreed upon even without the US.

                      Carney only kicked it up for Donald’s ego to feel like he made a deal. Why? Cuz Cheeto thrives on drama. Meanwhile Canada stole the wheat export market from right under the nose of trump. As well as a few other things no doubt.

                      Canada is slowly disempowering US but needs some keys to periodically dangle in Donald’s face while they do it.

                      Sheinbaum is a pro at this game and has been playing it cleanly for 7 months. Carney’s simply following suit.

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                      • S sillyglow@lemmy.ca

                        So does no one here understand the concept of manufactured chaos as a distraction ?

                        The service tax was put in place ages ago but was never enforced. It’s the same trick with the whole border czar bullshit where Donald needs to feel big about something as a distraction despite its a throw away card and often something that was already agreed upon even without the US.

                        Carney only kicked it up for Donald’s ego to feel like he made a deal. Why? Cuz Cheeto thrives on drama. Meanwhile Canada stole the wheat export market from right under the nose of trump. As well as a few other things no doubt.

                        Canada is slowly disempowering US but needs some keys to periodically dangle in Donald’s face while they do it.

                        Sheinbaum is a pro at this game and has been playing it cleanly for 7 months. Carney’s simply following suit.

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                        allemaniac@lemmy.world
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                        Rutte did it too with his daddy comment. Stroke the ego of the big baby and prevent more tantrum from said baby

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                        • A allemaniac@lemmy.world

                          Rutte did it too with his daddy comment. Stroke the ego of the big baby and prevent more tantrum from said baby

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                          sillyglow@lemmy.ca
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                          To the simple minded it looks like that.

                          But I’ve already explained it goes deeper than that.

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                          • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                            Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

                            Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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                            Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                            circav@lemmy.ca
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                            What’s this about the wheat export market? Can you provide details?

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                            • A aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                              Try sending an actual written letter: maybe it will be a little bit attention because in this day and age of e-mail, it’s actual paper letters that are oddities that get people’s attention.

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                              thalfon@sh.itjust.works
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                              For anyone who’s not aware, letters to your MP (and certain other members of the federal government) are postage free, so you don’t need a stamp.

                              https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/support/articles/government-mail-free-of-postage/overview.page

                              Note this doesn’t apply to provincial positions, so you’d have to stamp a letter to an MLA.

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                              • S sillyglow@lemmy.ca

                                So does no one here understand the concept of manufactured chaos as a distraction ?

                                The service tax was put in place ages ago but was never enforced. It’s the same trick with the whole border czar bullshit where Donald needs to feel big about something as a distraction despite its a throw away card and often something that was already agreed upon even without the US.

                                Carney only kicked it up for Donald’s ego to feel like he made a deal. Why? Cuz Cheeto thrives on drama. Meanwhile Canada stole the wheat export market from right under the nose of trump. As well as a few other things no doubt.

                                Canada is slowly disempowering US but needs some keys to periodically dangle in Donald’s face while they do it.

                                Sheinbaum is a pro at this game and has been playing it cleanly for 7 months. Carney’s simply following suit.

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                                subscript5676@lemmy.ca
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                                I’m gonna need some citations or sources for that.

                                AFAIK, the service tax was not “put in place ages ago”. It was put in force in June 2024, literally last year, and the first payments were expected literally yesterday, on June 30th, 2025. It’s retroactive, but still only goes back to 2022, which isn’t “ages ago”. Source

                                And what’s this wheat market steal you’re talking about?

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                                • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                                  This seems really premature. I dislike Carney’s policies for a bunch of reasons, but it’s premature to shit on him for this. We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

                                  The last time Trump threw one of these tantrums, NAFTA morphed into USMCA without much of a hit to our economy (afaiu). If our government can repeat that success while we’re diversifying our economy away from the US then that’s a win.

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                                  grte@lemmy.ca
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                                  I really don’t care what the trade deal looks like, letting the US president dictate Canada’s internal tax policy is a bridge too far for me.

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                                  • G grte@lemmy.ca

                                    I really don’t care what the trade deal looks like, letting the US president dictate Canada’s internal tax policy is a bridge too far for me.

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                                    circav@lemmy.ca
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                                    THIS ^^^

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                                    • J jhex@lemmy.world

                                      We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

                                      It doesn’t matter since Trump can reneg on it at any moment as he did with the previous one

                                      What Carney did here is signal trump that he will chicken out even faster than trump does at any tartrum he throws

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                                      circav@lemmy.ca
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                                      #79

                                      The US wiped its ass with first NAFTA, now CUSMA, it will wipe its ass with whatever comes from this shitshow. The US cannot be trusted. It’s signature is worthless on any documents. I hope this is all lip service and we are doing the real trade negotiation with the EU, Asia, Lat Am.

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                                      • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                                        The US wiped its ass with first NAFTA, now CUSMA, it will wipe its ass with whatever comes from this shitshow. The US cannot be trusted. It’s signature is worthless on any documents. I hope this is all lip service and we are doing the real trade negotiation with the EU, Asia, Lat Am.

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                                        jhex@lemmy.world
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                                        precisely, which is why I see zero benefit in appeasing or even negotiating with the orange turd

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                                        • S subscript5676@lemmy.ca

                                          I’m gonna need some citations or sources for that.

                                          AFAIK, the service tax was not “put in place ages ago”. It was put in force in June 2024, literally last year, and the first payments were expected literally yesterday, on June 30th, 2025. It’s retroactive, but still only goes back to 2022, which isn’t “ages ago”. Source

                                          And what’s this wheat market steal you’re talking about?

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                                          wampus@lemmy.ca
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                                          I agree with your skepticism on this one.

                                          Especially given what we can see with regards to US tech companies being complicit with a bunch of the authoritarian stuff going on down south, moves to disrupt their monopolies and try and foster a more local industry makes a ton of sense. Many of Carney’s decisions lately align with US interests more so than Canada. It’s not overly surprising, he’s not pro-Canadian companies / people, but pro-business and international trade (at the expense of locals if need be), in a fairly generic neo-liberal way.

                                          Also, bending over right before Canada day is just such a dick thing to do as PM. He should be trying to lead / inspire national pride, not appeasing foreign interests, for at least like 1 week of his term.

                                          Still prolly better than PP would’ve been though. With PP we would’ve had Elon here Musking up the place.

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