So does no one here understand the concept of manufactured chaos as a distraction ?

The service tax was put in place ages ago but was never enforced. It’s the same trick with the whole border czar bullshit where Donald needs to feel big about something as a distraction despite its a throw away card and often something that was already agreed upon even without the US.

Carney only kicked it up for Donald’s ego to feel like he made a deal. Why? Cuz Cheeto thrives on drama. Meanwhile Canada stole the wheat export market from right under the nose of trump. As well as a few other things no doubt.

Canada is slowly disempowering US but needs some keys to periodically dangle in Donald’s face while they do it.

Sheinbaum is a pro at this game and has been playing it cleanly for 7 months. Carney’s simply following suit.

Rutte did it too with his daddy comment. Stroke the ego of the big baby and prevent more tantrum from said baby

To the simple minded it looks like that.

But I’ve already explained it goes deeper than that.

What’s this about the wheat export market? Can you provide details?

For anyone who’s not aware, letters to your MP (and certain other members of the federal government) are postage free, so you don’t need a stamp.

https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/support/articles/government-mail-free-of-postage/overview.page

Note this doesn’t apply to provincial positions, so you’d have to stamp a letter to an MLA.

I’m gonna need some citations or sources for that.

AFAIK, the service tax was not “put in place ages ago”. It was put in force in June 2024, literally last year, and the first payments were expected literally yesterday, on June 30th, 2025. It’s retroactive, but still only goes back to 2022, which isn’t “ages ago”. Source

And what’s this wheat market steal you’re talking about?

I really don’t care what the trade deal looks like, letting the US president dictate Canada’s internal tax policy is a bridge too far for me.

THIS ^^^

The US wiped its ass with first NAFTA, now CUSMA, it will wipe its ass with whatever comes from this shitshow. The US cannot be trusted. It’s signature is worthless on any documents. I hope this is all lip service and we are doing the real trade negotiation with the EU, Asia, Lat Am.

precisely, which is why I see zero benefit in appeasing or even negotiating with the orange turd

I agree with your skepticism on this one.

Especially given what we can see with regards to US tech companies being complicit with a bunch of the authoritarian stuff going on down south, moves to disrupt their monopolies and try and foster a more local industry makes a ton of sense. Many of Carney’s decisions lately align with US interests more so than Canada. It’s not overly surprising, he’s not pro-Canadian companies / people, but pro-business and international trade (at the expense of locals if need be), in a fairly generic neo-liberal way.

Also, bending over right before Canada day is just such a dick thing to do as PM. He should be trying to lead / inspire national pride, not appeasing foreign interests, for at least like 1 week of his term.

Still prolly better than PP would’ve been though. With PP we would’ve had Elon here Musking up the place.

Uhh… Did you reply to the right person/comment? I don’t see how your comment connects to mine here. But I’ll reply to your comment anyway.

I don’t disagree with your comment, but I am definitely a bit more hesitant to label Carney as anything (the word “neoliberal” has so many competing definitions it’s essentially a nothing-burger with only some bad flavour attached to it to make it a punching bag by all sides these days). First off, it’s pretty clear that Trump’s moves are done in favour of the US tech oligarchs, that we can agree on.

Carney’s recent moves have basically burnt through his political capital extremely quickly, though I can’t say all of them align with or benefit the US, not even the pipelines he’s been eager to build, especially cause most of the O&G companies in Alberta are mostly owned by foreign companies (source), not necessarily all by the US. And Carney’s government hasn’t done that much with about 2 months in, but none of them have been pro-international trade per se. Cutting the carbon tax is definitely pro-business but it was done more so to appease the right more broadly than just businesses, though I guess if you consider the fact that O&G companies are mostly foreign-owned, then you might say it’s pro-international-trade, but since we’ve barely decarbonized our economy and society by much (doesn’t help that Ontario and Alberta have such strong conservative provincial governments), and the costs are passed onto consumers anyway (though consumers get that rebate), cutting the carbon tax does essentially nothing for businesses at the expense of consumers. Internal trade barriers is, well, internal, and its consequences can be a toss up for businesses in general: those with the resources to operate across provinces may be able to give smaller players a hard time.

All-in-all, I haven’t seen their other moves as being obtusely against Canadian interests, even if we don’t agree with all of them (eg Bill C-5 and Bill C-2), and even if they hurt Canadians in the long run. That said, the earlier border bill is basically an appeasement, given that it was clearly a cop out issue by Trump. This cutting of the Digital Services Tax is another instance of Carney’s government giving up on a policy that is in the country’s interest to try gain what they think is also in the country’s interest with the US, and ostensibly so. So that’s two, but we’ll still need at least a few more of such instances to see if Carney’s gov is pro-US, cause insofar, these were done to get Trump onto the negotiating table by hurting Canadians a little (privacy on the border bill, and putting back on the threat to our media and online entertainment industry). I would hope we’d actually get something given that the sacrifices have been made, and I’d rather we don’t do what Carney did, but we can’t disregard the fact that there’s a potential gain to be made, even if we don’t like how things are going down, and don’t like how we’re negotiating with a wannabe dictator. We haven’t gotten anything out of it though, so patience with Carney is going to run thin.

And let’s not even talk about PP. Just because he’s not elected and we didn’t immediately get Musk-ed, doesn’t necessarily make me feel any better with how most of Carney’s economic moves have been more conservative than what I think is necessary. For example, he said we should have a good energy mix, but he’s yet to announce or even mention any investment or developments in green energy, or anything that would contribute to a good off-ramp for O&G companies (even if we don’t think they deserve it) and making sure we have a healthy amount of green energy generation, and thus only making it more and more necessary to more extreme measures if we want to save our and our children’s future.

Is that person a Canadian? Social media posts aren’t really indicative of the general feeling of a given populace. It’s dangerous to think otherwise.

What sort of thing do you write? I’m always uncertain how to word these types of emails.

The original commentor’s note seemed to imply Carney was playing some sort of ‘4d chess’ bullshit, dangling keys and then ditching something we’d always intended to ditch as a ‘show’ to appease the orange guy. Your response noted that the tax was put in fairly recently, and was set to kick in officially this month – basically questioning the original guys narrative. You add in the question about wheat, which I’m still not sure where he got that.

So yes, I agree with your skepticism related to this being some fancy political footwork that’s actually in our best interests, and the implication from the OP that we were ditching a tax that we’d never intended to bring in.

Your response even supports the comment that the move is objectively against our interests, and pro-US tech giant. Your optimism and “wait and see, mayyybeee”, are naive. We’ve already conceded that tax, without getting anything in return for it, as well as any other area of internal domestic policy as there’s a clear precedent now – if it were part of negotiations, it would be getting discussed as part of negotiations, setting up an exemption for US companies or whatnot. We just handed them that item on ‘good faith’, with a dictator. Heck, during the election, I’m fairly sure I heard a quote from Carney about how he wouldn’t commit to anything publicly prior to negotiations, because it’s a weak approach where you basically give stuff away - but they did just that in this case.

The questionable bills, and general de-regulation / removal of environmental reviews, are in line with US interests at present, which are backed by tech giants wanting to take more control / have more autonomy. The continued (over) reliance on US tech services is also clearly not in Canada’s best interests, given how the US has been leveraging their near monopolistic status in that realm. Many of our newly elected government officials got in on a promise of standing up to America’s authoritarian bullshit, but once in power have basically complied and made similar authoritarian steps.

GTFO out of here with your logic and measured takes. This is Lemmy.

I’m of the opinion that letting Trump think he’s “winning” while playing backdoor politics with friendly nations to defend Canada’s interests is not a bad approach. If they can make it to the American midterms, hopefully he’ll get hamstrung and become a lame duck president. Assuming he doesn’t find some archaic way of overriding them…

Before we applaud the 5d chess move, we are a bishop down, and no obvious plan to gain back prosperity/material. Flattering the narcisist with a sacrifice to win is indistinguishable from continued full submission and gaslighting us into it.

If the reason for doing the wrong thing is “the jobs” then you need to rethink your reasoning.

Nope, re-read what I wrote. What in there says you can’t come up with a valid opinion?

It’s more “your opinion doesn’t seem to give any weight, relief or aid to those who are affected in any way shape or form.”

It’s a trade negotiation, it’s literally all about the jobs.

I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.

By your logic, we should just not do anything with our largest trading partner and I dunno, just wait for almost half a decade until we like the administration?