I agree. I’m from Australia, and vaccinations are mandatory and required, like you will be ordered by a court, and have your children removed if they are not vaccinated type of thing. I agree with this law.

I think people downvoting here are not understanding what I’m saying, or I didn’t explain it well enough. I’m not saying anti vaxxers are right. I am saying they have some merit with their arguments, but ultimately they only think these ideas due to lack of education and critical thinking.

They had nazi flags. Use your brain.

Its not as absolute as it sounds. While vaccines do have externalities (eg: protection of others via herd immunity), so do the others I mentioned:

Refusing medical care can increase long-term public healthcare costs, especially in countries with socialized medicine, luke Canada

Eating garbage food or drinking excessively leads to chronic disease burdens (obesity, diabetes, liver disease), again impacting public systems and reducing workforce productivity. You could argue that this is mitigate through alcohol tax.

Abortion is more complicated, but opponents would argue there’s another life at stake, so from their moral framework, it’s not purely personal either.

The “freedom ends at someone else’s face” is useful but oversimplified. The real challenge is defining when individual choices cross the line into collective consequences, and which ones merit state intervention. Vaccines are one of the clearest examples, yes, but they’re not the only ones with spillover effects.

So my point is how do you define that line, legally? I think it needs to remain pragmatic. Societies change faster than laws do.

Because you are saying, with near equal weight, both that mandatory vaccines are important and also body autonomy to do whatever(including vaccines). It has the same energy as “no offense but [offensive thing]” in that it sounds like you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth and we need to be extra sure you’re not just trying to cover your ass while spouting a bad opinion.

Every comment you make is one that is essentially in a vaccuum. I don’t know you, I don’t know your history, I just see a very weirdly placed comment saying that you agree in mandatory vaccination but also the convoy people have a point in a way that goes completely opposite to this first thing you believe. You’re also saying that the good point they have was only reached because they’re not smart, which is a weird thing to say. And Canada’s vaccination laws are way less intense than the ones you’re talking about, too, which just adds to the confusion.

I’m glad you believe that we need to do things to take care of one another in dangerous times but after that I really have no clue what you’re on about, to be honest.

There was ONE guy with a Nazi flag wearing a face covering (why? The protesters were anti mask) who was jeered out of the crowd and disappeared into a hotel. He was NOT with the convoy and definitely NOT supported by the protesters.

One is enough. That’s like saying there was one rapist.

One is enough IF he was actually part of the protest. He wasnt. There were even people in the convoy protest who offered a cash reward for his identity and no one ever found out who he was. Maybe coincidence, maybe not, but he disappeared up the steps into the hotel that the RCMP were staying at. The protesters werent staying there. So who was he?

And no, ONE person in a protest does not mean you can paint the thousands of others there with the same brush. If that were true you would have noticed that there was a counter protest just a few blocks away where ONE person in the crowd was carrying a hammer and sickle flag. Does that mean that crowd support Communists? Hardly. Chrystia Freeland held up a symbol of the Nazi party and then quickly deleted it (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-nationalist-scarf-1.6372995) Does that mean the Liberals support Nazis? Hardly.

My explanation is:

I agree that vaccines should be mandatory. I’m fully vaxxed on basically everything and even my dog gets their vaccinations. I trust in science and data.

That said, forcing people to do something they don’t want to do is not good for social cohesion. A better way is meeting them where they are and educating them. This is not happening and instead we are belittling them, ostracizing them etc. This is why they are protesting, pushing back and being a problem, because they feel attacked.

It doesn’t matter who is right because both think they are right.

Their arguments do have some merit, ie the government can’t just decide for you to under go a procedure. We shouldn’t just trust governments or scientists blindly or “it’s for the greater good”, that is basically the same as religion. They should instead be educated on why they can at least trust scientists and why scientists come to the conclusions they do, even if they aren’t biologists themselves. And why the government makes the decisions it does. Like sure, YOU probably won’t get sick, but when you’re dealing with millions and millions of people, a single sub percentage point can make the difference between everyone getting through it, or the health system buckling under pressure and failing, letting hundreds of thousands die.

They dont think like that. They’ve never been taught to, and that’s a failing of the education system.

Sure you will always have dissenters, but the point is to minimize them so they don’t affect the outcome much by refusing treatment.

I hope that makes sense.

I somewhat agree. But how do you make laws for forcing people to get vaccines, yet let them choose to have abortions, or refuse medical care, or eat garbage food, drink alcohol etc, for example?

Like, how would you define that on a societal level, and also have exceptions for situations the law doesnt account for?

These things dont exactly equate, but I can see why being forced by the government to get a vaccines irks some people. I think it all stems from them thinking that vaccines harm you, or cause autism or whatever. That and that we haven’t had a truly deadly pandemic or disease going around in living memory (thanks again to science and our predecessors getting vaccinated) that would cause people to prefer the vaccine over say polio. People are losing fath in institutions and we are not educating our children with critical thinking enough.

OK? Don’t hang out with nazi?

People aren’t forced to get vaccines. They are forced to live with the consequences of whatever they decide. If it is in the interest of public health that people who are not vaccinated stay away from public places or immune compromised places like hospitals, then people who make the choice not to get vaccinated, make themselves unable to participate. No one gets held down and forced to be vaccinated however they may lose some privileges (temporarily) that go with being vaccinated. Once the pandemic was under control and people weren’t dying in large numbers every day, those limitations went away.

Ok, for the sake of not having this conversation spiral out of control, I’m going to throw out your use of the word mandatory. You can’t say that you believe vaccines should be mandatory and also that you support the idea that people should be able to decide for themselves, no matter how much you would hope that education would lead to mass vaccination and generally doing the right thing.

“Mandatory” specifcally means that whether or not you want it, you have to get it. There is no choice in anything “mandatory” and if there is then it is definitionally not mandatory. I understand your point, and I don’t even fully disagree as I would also love to live in a world where people actually do the right thing without being forced to.

Libertarians, in general, want to reap the benefits of society without paying the costs. I don’t imagine Amazon would have grown to the size it did if there weren’t ports for the ships to dock in, roads for the trucks to drive on, an internet to advertise on, and all the rest of it, yet they feel beset upon for being asked to pay the taxes that help provide all those things.

Anti-vaxer truckers are the same, but writ small and in human form.

These people can’t understand there could be differing viewpoints to their own, whether they agree with them or not.

Libertarians are basically Nazis in their eyes as ironic as that sounds.

They believe government create most of the monopolies via regulation. You fan disagree but it doesn’t make them Nazis.

Okay everybody, protest over. Time to go home. Thousands of you have travelled hundreds of miles to be here but there’s no other choice. A Nazi was spotted scurrying around on the outskirts and the TV cameras found him.