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  • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

    I agree with a lot of what you’ve said here but a one-state solution is not necessarily a question of “which ethnic group controls the state”. The anti-apartheid, anti-genocide advocates for a one-state solution generally argue for full rights for all citizens and a secular administration, if I’m not mistaken.

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    spacecowboy@lemmy.ca
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    Jews would still be a majority in a one state solution. What’s the term for changing an area from occupied territory to be part of a country where the people are citizens? Annexation.

    That’s why the whole “apartheid state” thing is a silly slogan used by people who don’t actually understand anything. Netanyahu wants to annex the West Bank and it seems the “apartheid state” crowd agrees that this is the best solution. But I don’t think they really do agree with Netanyahu, it’s just non-serious people spewing non-sense slogans. They don’t understand what the word annexation means and don’t care that Palestinians might want their own state apart from Israel.

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    • N nomorediotz@thelemmy.club

      Recognize hamas

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      And then destroy them.

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        Jews would still be a majority in a one state solution. What’s the term for changing an area from occupied territory to be part of a country where the people are citizens? Annexation.

        That’s why the whole “apartheid state” thing is a silly slogan used by people who don’t actually understand anything. Netanyahu wants to annex the West Bank and it seems the “apartheid state” crowd agrees that this is the best solution. But I don’t think they really do agree with Netanyahu, it’s just non-serious people spewing non-sense slogans. They don’t understand what the word annexation means and don’t care that Palestinians might want their own state apart from Israel.

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        patatas@sh.itjust.works
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        Look, I’m just explaining the position as I understand it. I’ll also note that there are a great many advocates for a one-state, equal-rights solution that most certainly do know what they’re talking about.

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        • F fleur_@aussie.zone

          “Canada supports a two state solution”

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          canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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          That’s not a new stance, and doesn’t amount to recognition on any schedule.

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          • L loonsun@sh.itjust.works

            The last paragraph, he starts the paragraph saying the official government stance is the two state solution and sovereignty of Palestine

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            canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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            That’s been the government line for decades, though. The idea being the negotiation process will start in earnest any moment now and then recognition for Palestine can be part of it. Which also conveniently doesn’t anger Israel or the US.

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              • This article is originally by Middle East Monitor, Republished here under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.

              Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has announced that his country plans to recognise the State of Palestine at the United Nations.

              In a Friday post on X, Carney stated: “Canada supports a two-state solution which guarantees peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians.” He added that Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.

              The Prime Minister also said that Canada condemns the Israeli government’s failure to prevent the rapid deterioration of the humanitarian adisaster in the Gaza Strip.

              Earlier, French President Emmanuel Macron declared his intention to recognise the State of Palestine in September 2025.

              In response, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu strongly condemned the move, saying that the establishment of a Palestinian state would pose a threat to Israel’s security.

              Meanwhile, the Hamas movement welcomed Macron’s intention to recognise Palestine during the UN General Assembly in September.

              Hamas described the move as a positive step in the right direction towards justice for the oppressed Palestinian people and support for their legitimate right to self-determination and the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on all of its occupied territory, with Jerusalem as its capital.

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              Israelis and Palestinian citizens need to agree together that they have to oust their Hamas and Netanyahu regime oppressors. Without this, nothing will change.

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              • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                That’s not a new stance, and doesn’t amount to recognition on any schedule.

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                fleur_@aussie.zone
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                Yes it is, Canada has only ever recognised PA (Palestine authority) which is an Israeli organisation that represents Palestine on behalf of Israel. Here they are very clearly talking about the State of Palestine which is the most recognised in the United nations general Assembly.

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                • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

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                  Frustration, Gaza alarm drove Macron to go it alone on Palestine recognition

                  Emmanuel Macron's announcement caused diplomatic ructions from the Middle East and Europe to Washington - but it did not come out of the blue.

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                  fleur_@aussie.zone
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                  There’s a meeting happening next week that Canada has pledged to support Palestine as a state. We’ll see next week what comes of it.

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                  • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                    Yes it is, Canada has only ever recognised PA (Palestine authority) which is an Israeli organisation that represents Palestine on behalf of Israel. Here they are very clearly talking about the State of Palestine which is the most recognised in the United nations general Assembly.

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                    canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                    Canada has wanted a two-state solution for a very long time. Probably with the PA in charge (which is not Israeli, just Israeli backed in a very lukewarm sense), but it’s not usually specified.

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                    • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                      Look, I’m just explaining the position as I understand it. I’ll also note that there are a great many advocates for a one-state, equal-rights solution that most certainly do know what they’re talking about.

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                      Who? If you could even just point to someone describing how this would work, that would be helpful. But I’ve never seen anyone actually explain how this would actually work. The only one state solutions offered is Netanyahu wanting to annex territories or nutjobs that want to ethnically cleanse (or worse) Jews from the region.

                      Just look at the population numbers… A one state solution would have Jewish majority. Do pro-Palestinian radicals really want a one state solution with Palestinians being a minority in a state that’s majority is Jewish? There’s a lot of dark intentions of those that want a one state solution. Or they just don’t know what they’re talking about.

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                      • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                        I think the issue people are having is that this tweet from the PM does not appear to represent any kind of change in policy.

                        In fact just yesterday, Reuters reported that Canada and the UK were asked by Macron to join France in recognising Palestinian statehood but refused: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/frustration-gaza-alarm-drove-macron-go-it-alone-palestine-recognition-2025-07-26/

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                        fleur_@aussie.zone
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                        Okay, so there’s an upcoming conference at the UN about officially recognising the state of Palestine that has been proposed by France. Yes France was unable to get the UK and Canada to cosponsor the proposal but that is not the same as rejecting it. We will only know the official stance after the conference. However, this tweet by the Canadian government is referring to this proposal by France. In the tweet he stated that “Canada supports a two state solution” and that “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.” Together it seems likely that Canada is intent on supporting the proposal, again we will only know after the conference.

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                        • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                          Canada has wanted a two-state solution for a very long time. Probably with the PA in charge (which is not Israeli, just Israeli backed in a very lukewarm sense), but it’s not usually specified.

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                          fleur_@aussie.zone
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                          They have never recognised Palestine. There is an upcoming UN proposal by France to recognise Palestine. In this tweet it seems that Canada will be supporting the proposal however we won’t know until the conference.

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                          • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS spacecowboy@lemmy.ca

                            Who? If you could even just point to someone describing how this would work, that would be helpful. But I’ve never seen anyone actually explain how this would actually work. The only one state solutions offered is Netanyahu wanting to annex territories or nutjobs that want to ethnically cleanse (or worse) Jews from the region.

                            Just look at the population numbers… A one state solution would have Jewish majority. Do pro-Palestinian radicals really want a one state solution with Palestinians being a minority in a state that’s majority is Jewish? There’s a lot of dark intentions of those that want a one state solution. Or they just don’t know what they’re talking about.

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                            patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                            Ilan Pappé is one of the foremost advocates AFAIK

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                            • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                              There’s a meeting happening next week that Canada has pledged to support Palestine as a state. We’ll see next week what comes of it.

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                              patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                              I genuinely hope you’re right!

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                              • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                                Okay, so there’s an upcoming conference at the UN about officially recognising the state of Palestine that has been proposed by France. Yes France was unable to get the UK and Canada to cosponsor the proposal but that is not the same as rejecting it. We will only know the official stance after the conference. However, this tweet by the Canadian government is referring to this proposal by France. In the tweet he stated that “Canada supports a two state solution” and that “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.” Together it seems likely that Canada is intent on supporting the proposal, again we will only know after the conference.

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                                patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                                If so, great! I remain skeptical given our PM’s recent use of phrases like “Zionist Palestine”, an inability to use the word ‘genocide’ to describe the ongoing genocide, and the lack of any meaningful action thus far.

                                Even the sanctions placed on two Israeli politicians in June don’t have real teeth; a previous update (Feb 2025) to Canada’s sanctions rules actually allows the foreign affairs minister to issue permits overriding restrictions. https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/esv-vec.aspx?lang=eng

                                As I said in my other reply though, I genuinely hope you’re right - but I don’t see it as a foregone conclusion yet. Important to keep the pressure on our MPs.

                                I managed to get the office manager at my local constituency office on the phone on Friday, and was assured that I’ll get a call back from my MP tomorrow. If I do, I’ll ask directly what the plan is, and push for this to happen!

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                                • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                                  Iran hasn’t said that Jews should be wiped off the face of the earth? One quick google says otherwise: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran

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                                  Did I say otherwise? If you can get in touch with Mr Ahmadinejad maybe yeah you can find someone to answer your question, but still, everything I said stands.

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                                  • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                                    He had to ruin a forceful message to Israel by adding the “aLL SiDeS”

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                                    garbagebagel@lemmy.world
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                                    Yeah I was on board and then I got to that and, of fucking course, he’s a coward.

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                                    • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                                      “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week”

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                                      voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                                      Yes, I read that part. You clearly didn’t. Nothing in there is an immediate commitment to recognize Palestine as a state. At best “work towards a two state solution” means “someday maybe Palestine might get to become a state if we’re all feeling really generous.”

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                                      • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                                        Yes, I read that part. You clearly didn’t. Nothing in there is an immediate commitment to recognize Palestine as a state. At best “work towards a two state solution” means “someday maybe Palestine might get to become a state if we’re all feeling really generous.”

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                                        fleur_@aussie.zone
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                                        The recognition vote in the UN is upcoming. How are they supposed to make their stance before the conference.

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                                        • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                                          If so, great! I remain skeptical given our PM’s recent use of phrases like “Zionist Palestine”, an inability to use the word ‘genocide’ to describe the ongoing genocide, and the lack of any meaningful action thus far.

                                          Even the sanctions placed on two Israeli politicians in June don’t have real teeth; a previous update (Feb 2025) to Canada’s sanctions rules actually allows the foreign affairs minister to issue permits overriding restrictions. https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/esv-vec.aspx?lang=eng

                                          As I said in my other reply though, I genuinely hope you’re right - but I don’t see it as a foregone conclusion yet. Important to keep the pressure on our MPs.

                                          I managed to get the office manager at my local constituency office on the phone on Friday, and was assured that I’ll get a call back from my MP tomorrow. If I do, I’ll ask directly what the plan is, and push for this to happen!

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                                          leftytighty@slrpnk.net
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                                          I can just barely understand avoiding the term genocide but what Israel is doing and proposing to do further is textbook ethnic cleansing and is equally egregious. We can’t even officially call it ethnic cleansing. There’s zero ambiguity on that definition.

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