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  • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

    That’s not a new stance, and doesn’t amount to recognition on any schedule.

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    fleur_@aussie.zone
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    Yes it is, Canada has only ever recognised PA (Palestine authority) which is an Israeli organisation that represents Palestine on behalf of Israel. Here they are very clearly talking about the State of Palestine which is the most recognised in the United nations general Assembly.

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    • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

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      Frustration, Gaza alarm drove Macron to go it alone on Palestine recognition

      Emmanuel Macron's announcement caused diplomatic ructions from the Middle East and Europe to Washington - but it did not come out of the blue.

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      fleur_@aussie.zone
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      There’s a meeting happening next week that Canada has pledged to support Palestine as a state. We’ll see next week what comes of it.

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      • F fleur_@aussie.zone

        Yes it is, Canada has only ever recognised PA (Palestine authority) which is an Israeli organisation that represents Palestine on behalf of Israel. Here they are very clearly talking about the State of Palestine which is the most recognised in the United nations general Assembly.

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        canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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        #95

        Canada has wanted a two-state solution for a very long time. Probably with the PA in charge (which is not Israeli, just Israeli backed in a very lukewarm sense), but it’s not usually specified.

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        • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

          Look, I’m just explaining the position as I understand it. I’ll also note that there are a great many advocates for a one-state, equal-rights solution that most certainly do know what they’re talking about.

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          spacecowboy@lemmy.ca
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          Who? If you could even just point to someone describing how this would work, that would be helpful. But I’ve never seen anyone actually explain how this would actually work. The only one state solutions offered is Netanyahu wanting to annex territories or nutjobs that want to ethnically cleanse (or worse) Jews from the region.

          Just look at the population numbers… A one state solution would have Jewish majority. Do pro-Palestinian radicals really want a one state solution with Palestinians being a minority in a state that’s majority is Jewish? There’s a lot of dark intentions of those that want a one state solution. Or they just don’t know what they’re talking about.

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          • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

            I think the issue people are having is that this tweet from the PM does not appear to represent any kind of change in policy.

            In fact just yesterday, Reuters reported that Canada and the UK were asked by Macron to join France in recognising Palestinian statehood but refused: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/frustration-gaza-alarm-drove-macron-go-it-alone-palestine-recognition-2025-07-26/

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            fleur_@aussie.zone
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            Okay, so there’s an upcoming conference at the UN about officially recognising the state of Palestine that has been proposed by France. Yes France was unable to get the UK and Canada to cosponsor the proposal but that is not the same as rejecting it. We will only know the official stance after the conference. However, this tweet by the Canadian government is referring to this proposal by France. In the tweet he stated that “Canada supports a two state solution” and that “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.” Together it seems likely that Canada is intent on supporting the proposal, again we will only know after the conference.

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            • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

              Canada has wanted a two-state solution for a very long time. Probably with the PA in charge (which is not Israeli, just Israeli backed in a very lukewarm sense), but it’s not usually specified.

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              fleur_@aussie.zone
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              They have never recognised Palestine. There is an upcoming UN proposal by France to recognise Palestine. In this tweet it seems that Canada will be supporting the proposal however we won’t know until the conference.

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              • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS spacecowboy@lemmy.ca

                Who? If you could even just point to someone describing how this would work, that would be helpful. But I’ve never seen anyone actually explain how this would actually work. The only one state solutions offered is Netanyahu wanting to annex territories or nutjobs that want to ethnically cleanse (or worse) Jews from the region.

                Just look at the population numbers… A one state solution would have Jewish majority. Do pro-Palestinian radicals really want a one state solution with Palestinians being a minority in a state that’s majority is Jewish? There’s a lot of dark intentions of those that want a one state solution. Or they just don’t know what they’re talking about.

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                patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                Ilan Pappé is one of the foremost advocates AFAIK

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                • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                  There’s a meeting happening next week that Canada has pledged to support Palestine as a state. We’ll see next week what comes of it.

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                  patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                  I genuinely hope you’re right!

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                  • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                    Okay, so there’s an upcoming conference at the UN about officially recognising the state of Palestine that has been proposed by France. Yes France was unable to get the UK and Canada to cosponsor the proposal but that is not the same as rejecting it. We will only know the official stance after the conference. However, this tweet by the Canadian government is referring to this proposal by France. In the tweet he stated that “Canada supports a two state solution” and that “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week.” Together it seems likely that Canada is intent on supporting the proposal, again we will only know after the conference.

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                    patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                    If so, great! I remain skeptical given our PM’s recent use of phrases like “Zionist Palestine”, an inability to use the word ‘genocide’ to describe the ongoing genocide, and the lack of any meaningful action thus far.

                    Even the sanctions placed on two Israeli politicians in June don’t have real teeth; a previous update (Feb 2025) to Canada’s sanctions rules actually allows the foreign affairs minister to issue permits overriding restrictions. https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/esv-vec.aspx?lang=eng

                    As I said in my other reply though, I genuinely hope you’re right - but I don’t see it as a foregone conclusion yet. Important to keep the pressure on our MPs.

                    I managed to get the office manager at my local constituency office on the phone on Friday, and was assured that I’ll get a call back from my MP tomorrow. If I do, I’ll ask directly what the plan is, and push for this to happen!

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                    • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                      Iran hasn’t said that Jews should be wiped off the face of the earth? One quick google says otherwise: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/27/israel.iran

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                      Victor Villas
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                      #102

                      Did I say otherwise? If you can get in touch with Mr Ahmadinejad maybe yeah you can find someone to answer your question, but still, everything I said stands.

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                      • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                        He had to ruin a forceful message to Israel by adding the “aLL SiDeS”

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                        garbagebagel@lemmy.world
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                        Yeah I was on board and then I got to that and, of fucking course, he’s a coward.

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                        • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                          “Ottawa “will work intensively in all fora to further that end, including through the participation of the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the UN High-Level Conference on a Two-State Solution in New York next week”

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                          voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                          Yes, I read that part. You clearly didn’t. Nothing in there is an immediate commitment to recognize Palestine as a state. At best “work towards a two state solution” means “someday maybe Palestine might get to become a state if we’re all feeling really generous.”

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                          • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                            Yes, I read that part. You clearly didn’t. Nothing in there is an immediate commitment to recognize Palestine as a state. At best “work towards a two state solution” means “someday maybe Palestine might get to become a state if we’re all feeling really generous.”

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                            fleur_@aussie.zone
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                            The recognition vote in the UN is upcoming. How are they supposed to make their stance before the conference.

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                            • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                              If so, great! I remain skeptical given our PM’s recent use of phrases like “Zionist Palestine”, an inability to use the word ‘genocide’ to describe the ongoing genocide, and the lack of any meaningful action thus far.

                              Even the sanctions placed on two Israeli politicians in June don’t have real teeth; a previous update (Feb 2025) to Canada’s sanctions rules actually allows the foreign affairs minister to issue permits overriding restrictions. https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/esv-vec.aspx?lang=eng

                              As I said in my other reply though, I genuinely hope you’re right - but I don’t see it as a foregone conclusion yet. Important to keep the pressure on our MPs.

                              I managed to get the office manager at my local constituency office on the phone on Friday, and was assured that I’ll get a call back from my MP tomorrow. If I do, I’ll ask directly what the plan is, and push for this to happen!

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                              leftytighty@slrpnk.net
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                              I can just barely understand avoiding the term genocide but what Israel is doing and proposing to do further is textbook ethnic cleansing and is equally egregious. We can’t even officially call it ethnic cleansing. There’s zero ambiguity on that definition.

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                              • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                                The recognition vote in the UN is upcoming. How are they supposed to make their stance before the conference.

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                                voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                                Well, words would be the usual method. Like, you know, spoken, or written, either is good. That’s the usual method of conveying your stance on something. Not really sure what other answer you would be expecting there.

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                                • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                                  Well, words would be the usual method. Like, you know, spoken, or written, either is good. That’s the usual method of conveying your stance on something. Not really sure what other answer you would be expecting there.

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                                  fleur_@aussie.zone
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                                  Uhhhh… Like in a tweet?

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                                  • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                                    Someone explain this to me: https://iris.org.il/images/israel-and-arab-world.gif

                                    All the countries in yellow are Arab.

                                    The little tiny slice in the middle in blue is Jewish and in that blue even the West Bank and Gaza are part of that blue island and are mostly occupied by the Arabs.

                                    And these Arab nations believe that the Israel should not belong to the Jews and some (strongly) believe they should be wiped off the earth.

                                    Why? Why is not the 99% of that land that belongs to the Arabs not enough for them?

                                    Where are the Jews supposed to go?

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                                    voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                                    If the existence of the state of Israel requires the extermination or forced relocation of the people of Palestine, then it should not exist.

                                    If the existence of the state is Isreal does not require the extermination or forced relocation of the people of Palestine, then what Israel is doing is indefensible.

                                    You know these facts. They are self evident. There is no way to defend Israel’s actions without ultimately arguing against Israel’s right to exist at all, which is why you’re hiding behind this disingenuous mask of “Just asking questions” and constantly talking around your meaning instead of outright saying it.

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                                    • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                                      Uhhhh… Like in a tweet?

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                                      voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                                      What was your exit strategy from this reply?

                                      Because if I said “Yes” then your next step is to quote the part of the tweet that you think backs up your assertion. Only, you already did that. And I already pointed out that it doesn’t say what you think it says. So in what possible way did you imagine that this line of argument was going to end up with you looking good?

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                                      • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                                        What was your exit strategy from this reply?

                                        Because if I said “Yes” then your next step is to quote the part of the tweet that you think backs up your assertion. Only, you already did that. And I already pointed out that it doesn’t say what you think it says. So in what possible way did you imagine that this line of argument was going to end up with you looking good?

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                                        fleur_@aussie.zone
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                                        “Canada supports a two state solution”

                                        Name the two states, go on. Say it.

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                                        • F fleur_@aussie.zone

                                          “Canada supports a two state solution”

                                          Name the two states, go on. Say it.

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                                          voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                                          I addressed this back in my original comment. At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself and wasting my time. I’m not going to bother replying further, you clearly need to get back to school and learn some basic reading comprehension.

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