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Epic CEO [Tim Sweeney] says AI disclosures like Steam's make "no sense" because AI will be involved in "nearly all" future game development

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  • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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    jaselle@lemmy.ca
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    It being ubiquitous does not mean it makes no sense. They can still say how and to what extent gen AI was used.

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    • Agent KaryoA Agent Karyo

      “Crypto/NFT disclosures make no sense, because all games will become “Play to Earn” and have NFT objects where you can transfer your Mario hat to COD 2028.”

      I am being glib, Sweeney probably has a point, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take a critical look at his intentions.

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      jaselle@lemmy.ca
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      What are his intentions?

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      • P PonyOfWar

        Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.

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        Gamma
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        #15

        It already is becoming a positive marketing point!

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        • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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          kiwitb@lemmy.world
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          Tim continues to not ‘read the room’

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          • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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            ilixtze@lemmy.ml
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            #17

            It is useful to know what games i want to avoid and boycott.

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            • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

              What are his intentions?

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              Agent_Karyo
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              Wannabe American oligarch.

              The things he allegedly argues against (Apple/Google app store restrictions) is what he would implement (word for word copy/paste arguments) if he was in their position.

              Typical corrupt scum.

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              • W who

                PC gamers (sample size: at least 1) say they struggle to think of anything valuable that Tim Sweeney has ever said.

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                apotheotic (she/her)
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                Up that sample size to 2 baybee

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                • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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                  durandal@lemmy.today
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                  #20

                  We’re seeing the rise of push back against AI gen stuff… https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/827650/indie-developers-gen-ai-nexon-arc-raiders

                  Doubling down on the glazing of the ai bubble is pretty on brand for him. In before “tim sues steam for spurious claims against ai” or some other bullshit.

                  Sidenote: IsThereAnyDeal.com has the steam ai declarations as part of the quick reference section on game pages now. https://mastodon.social/@isthereanydeal/115606686918493913

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                  • P PonyOfWar

                    Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.

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                    kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                    #21

                    I only play organic games.

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                    • P PonyOfWar

                      Even if that did happen, it wouldn’t defeat the point of the disclosures at all. In fact, people will appreciate it all the more if a game is made without any AI involvement and it will become a selling point.

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                      blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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                      At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.

                      AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.

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                        Nils
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                        #23

                        Then some clueless person complains that Steam dominates the market. When Epic is constantly shooting their foot.

                        People like to make informed decisions and those labels help. In proper countries even beer have content labels to say if there is rice or corn with the barley.

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                        • K kiwitb@lemmy.world

                          Tim continues to not ‘read the room’

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                          dan1101@lemmy.world
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                          On the wrong side of nearly everything. Disappointing, he was a gaming pioneer. Now just a petty greedy corpo.

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                          • C carnelian@lemmy.world

                            Plus, shouldn’t he want that information to be front and center anyway if he actually thinks it’s a good thing?

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                            zorque@lemmy.world
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                            He, like the that Microsoft suit, has just enough awareness to realize how AI is being thought of by the general public, and knows it would affect his bottom line. Which is really all he cares about.

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                            • thingsiplay@beehaw.orgT thingsiplay@beehaw.org

                              lol I just found my 7 year old post on Reddit (when Reddit was cool) of a Epig Games logo creation: https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/bvw5ru/epig_games/

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                              zorque@lemmy.world
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                              #26

                              But pigs are cute 😞

                              Why associate them with such a shit company?

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                              • alessandro@lemmy.caA alessandro@lemmy.ca
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                                #27

                                Tim Sweeny doesn’t understand the very people he wants to have give him money. Like, at all.

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                                • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

                                  At a very near point though, it’s likely going to be impossible to do it without AI involvement, or at the very least without proving you didn’t somehow.

                                  AI is being baked into almost every dev and art tool. They aren’t just talking about using ChatGPT, if your game uses a single texture or model that ever got touched by a machine learning algorithm, you’re using AI.

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                                  PonyOfWar
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                                  As long as AI doesn’t take away our hands, it’ll always be perfectly possible to draw our own art, compose our own music and write our own code. And especially in the open-source space, there’s plenty of creative software not jumping on the AI bandwagon.

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                                  • dan1101@lemmy.worldD dan1101@lemmy.world

                                    On the wrong side of nearly everything. Disappointing, he was a gaming pioneer. Now just a petty greedy corpo.

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                                    kiwitb@lemmy.world
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                                    Yeah, it’s a shame for sure.

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                                      No, it fucking won’t, Tim Sweeney. Go jump off the OG Fortnite BR map so I can default dance on you while you get sent back to the lobby.

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                                        artyom
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                                        If it’s available in “nearly all” development then you can switch the tag to say “no AI” and then I can continue discovering and buying games that don’t have that BS.

                                        But we all know, as does Sweeney, that that’s a lie. And also that I wouldn’t shop for games on Epic Store anyway, for reasons just like this.

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                                          darkkite@lemmy.ml
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                                          I think it should be more descriptive.

                                          using gpt as a stack overflow replacement should be fine or autocomplete for a simple for-loop

                                          using generative npcs, dialog, voice is another thing entirely

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