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Memory crisis expected to last until 2031, supply already allocated for 2026

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  • C chunes@lemmy.world

    eli5 why doesn’t someone produce ram and refuse to sell to AI companies and make a bloody fortune?

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    mholiv@lemmy.world
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    #58

    Because the AI companies will just offer to buy at a higher price.

    If you refuse to sell to AI companies you will make a small fortune yes. If you sell to the highest bidder you’ll make a larger fortune.

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    • D dubyakay@lemmy.ca

      Why’d you remove your upvote on your own comment?

      Edit: wtheck you do this on all your comments.

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      Mugita Sokio
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      That’s for unbiased upvote and downvote totals. I did this with all my comments, though I periodically check to see if I missed any. I decided to get that done one day, and I never looked back.

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      • Z zedotelhado@lemmy.world

        You are not wrong about the reallocation part. However, if you see the actions from micron (fuck you micron BTW), they are going all in and having a shit storm in PR on the consumer side. If they are taking these risks without proper assurances, then they are utterly deranged

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        cazssiew@lemmy.world
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        I’m not sure there’s a way to have proper assurances for such vast sums of silicon and money. You’re going with the flow of the speculation at that point. If it pops, their best hope is for bailouts to save them (not unrealistic, but their interlocutors will then be governments, not corporations).

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        • Z zedotelhado@lemmy.world

          You are not wrong about the reallocation part. However, if you see the actions from micron (fuck you micron BTW), they are going all in and having a shit storm in PR on the consumer side. If they are taking these risks without proper assurances, then they are utterly deranged

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          matlag
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          Promises of buying only work if the buyer still exists at the time you produce the goods.
          Besides, I’m pretty sure that the main buyers type on the consumer side are PC and phone makers. So they could go back there almost unharmed.

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          • PavidusP Pavidus

            The solution is surprisingly simple:

            “Sorry, I can’t use your online services. My electronics died. Oh well.” 🤷‍♂️

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            matlag
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            #62

            “No worries! We just launched Chat-Phone: a cellphone totally connected to ChatGPT. It has almost no capability by itself: poor CPU, min RAM, min/no storage, etc. But it is always connected to ChatGPT!
            BTW: because of RAM shortage, we are the only smartphone maker in the world now!”
            The phone is 50$, but you need the premium subscription for it to work…

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            • C chunes@lemmy.world

              eli5 why doesn’t someone produce ram and refuse to sell to AI companies and make a bloody fortune?

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              coleslaw4145@lemmy.world
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              Samsung

              SK Hynix

              Micron

              That’s why.

              Developing DRAM manufacturing capability is insanely difficult and hugely expensive. Almost all the worlds DRAM comes from one of these three names and they’re already making their fortune selling to AI companies. They don’t care about how many penny’s people like you or me can scrape together.

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              • C cazssiew@lemmy.world

                I’m not sure there’s a way to have proper assurances for such vast sums of silicon and money. You’re going with the flow of the speculation at that point. If it pops, their best hope is for bailouts to save them (not unrealistic, but their interlocutors will then be governments, not corporations).

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                zedotelhado@lemmy.world
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                #64

                You do have a good point that at a certain point it is not possible to have assurances as in values. However, there are other assurances that can be even more important, such as, contractual ones. If they do not have the proper assurances at that level too up to a certain point, then everyone is highly blindsided on the c suite.

                But my biggest point has to do with burning a massive bridge, the consumers, and take a dive into this nonsense.

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                • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world

                  What I heard on the ground floor from various system integrators, components manufacturers, and other companies, is memory supply has been tied up for all of 2026, and that shortages could last as long as until 2031.

                  Sure it’s scuttlebutt but wouldn’t surprise me as being true.

                  Just a moment...

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                  mehblah@lemmy.world
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                  When the bubble pops most of that gear will be useless for consumer use.

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                  • C chunes@lemmy.world

                    eli5 why doesn’t someone produce ram and refuse to sell to AI companies and make a bloody fortune?

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                    thomaswilliams@lemmy.world
                    wrote last edited by thomaswilliams@lemmy.world
                    #66

                    If there was really any demand more DRAM would be being produced.

                    The reality is most datacentre companies have warehouses full of DRAM and GPUs waiting for datacentres to be built. By the time they will be built, the GPUs they have stashed will be obsolete.

                    PC sales - and PCs use a lot more DRAM than phones - are falling off a cliff.

                    So there is no real future demand, that’s why no ones building chip fabs.

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                    • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world

                      What I heard on the ground floor from various system integrators, components manufacturers, and other companies, is memory supply has been tied up for all of 2026, and that shortages could last as long as until 2031.

                      Sure it’s scuttlebutt but wouldn’t surprise me as being true.

                      Just a moment...

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                      (www.tweaktown.com)

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                      hugenerd@lemmy.ca
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                      #67

                      Penis! I picked a fine time to finally want to upgrade my Win 7 laptop from 2011.

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                      • C Random Dent

                        I’m genuinely putting money aside for when the AI bubble pops so I can hopefully hoover up some cheap computer parts lol

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                        SpaceCadet
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                        #68

                        There won’t be “cheap computer parts”, it will all be datacenter junk that’s useless to a consumer, like rackmounted servers with insanely loud fans and “GPUs” that can’t output an image or play games.

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                          zink@programming.dev
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                          Too bad it will be difficult for us to see all their fancy cheap RAM through all the yummy Venezuelan oil covering this place! It’s totally worth my eyes and skin stinging a little bit all the time. Oh and my lungs of course.

                          ~sad /s~

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                          • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world

                            What I heard on the ground floor from various system integrators, components manufacturers, and other companies, is memory supply has been tied up for all of 2026, and that shortages could last as long as until 2031.

                            Sure it’s scuttlebutt but wouldn’t surprise me as being true.

                            Just a moment...

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                            (www.tweaktown.com)

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                            commander@lemmy.world
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                            I’m betting on a $700/$800 Steam Deck 2 when that launches and that being a solid deal. PS6 and it’s rumored 36GB of memory, don’t hold your breath for a release

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                            • L Kairos

                              The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

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                              jhex@lemmy.world
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                              this is not “the market” that phrase is referring to

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                              • J jhex@lemmy.world

                                this is not “the market” that phrase is referring to

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                                Kairos
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                                What market is it?

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                                • Z zamboni_driver@lemmy.ca

                                  It’s not an original comment.

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                                  Cevilia (she/they/…)
                                  wrote last edited by cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                                  #73

                                  I thought everyone had heard this meme by now.

                                  I edited my post to add the source.

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                                  • Cevilia (she/they/…)C Cevilia (she/they/…)

                                    I thought everyone had heard this meme by now.

                                    I edited my post to add the source.

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                                    zamboni_driver@lemmy.ca
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                                    Sorry I didn’t mean anything by that. I don’t care if you post a source or not. I was just answering their question.

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                                    • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world

                                      What I heard on the ground floor from various system integrators, components manufacturers, and other companies, is memory supply has been tied up for all of 2026, and that shortages could last as long as until 2031.

                                      Sure it’s scuttlebutt but wouldn’t surprise me as being true.

                                      Just a moment...

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                                      (www.tweaktown.com)

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                                      yeehaw
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                                      #75

                                      Game developers should focus on making good fun games without pushing the envelope on graphics, or maybe work more on optimizing things.

                                      Microsoft should focus on not making windows a bloated piece of shit that consumes so much memory.

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