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'The old order is not coming back,' Carney says in provocative speech at Davos

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  • S sik0fewl

    Using words just big enough that Trump won’t understand what he’s saying. Smart.

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    StinkyFingerItchyBum
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    Reminds me of a Trudeau speech just before he left. He spoke to Canadians and used typical 6th grade english politicians use when adressing very large audiences. Then he adressed Trump directly, looked right into the camera and immediately switched to mono syllabic caveman speech. I swear you could even see a suppressed smirk peek through. I laughed so hard and long I couldn’t hear what he actually said to him.

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    • M markwandering@lemmy.ca

      Is Carney perfect? No. Is he the best PM we have had, and the perfect man for this situation? Yes.

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      fireretardant@lemmy.world
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      I watched a few interviews with Carney throughout the election to get an idea of who he is and the policies he might support. One detail that really stuck out to me is he was a goaltender when he played hockey. Canada has a big mean offensive oaf taking shots at it, and Canada elects a goalie as a response.

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        fireretardant@lemmy.world
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        Carney’s reliance on fossil fuels does stick out as somewhat against his own book, Values. This is all speculation, but my theory for the reliance on fossil fuels is that it has a history of econimcally strengthening nations (at least if we ignore pollution), and has historically proven to be a valuable and desired resource globally and domestically. Given he is navigating the biggest economic shift Canada has seen in decades, fossil fuels look like a safe, but not neccesarily the right choice.

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          glide@lemmy.ca
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          Okay, 100% with you on his love for fossil fuels and military spending, but what specifically has he done to be deserving of calling him out of “authoritarian bullshit”?

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          • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

            Carney’s reliance on fossil fuels does stick out as somewhat against his own book, Values. This is all speculation, but my theory for the reliance on fossil fuels is that it has a history of econimcally strengthening nations (at least if we ignore pollution), and has historically proven to be a valuable and desired resource globally and domestically. Given he is navigating the biggest economic shift Canada has seen in decades, fossil fuels look like a safe, but not neccesarily the right choice.

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            kichae@lemmy.ca
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            Yes, exactly. Actions speak louder than words, of course, and his actions around fossil fuels feel very counter to his published words, but he has also said that we are at economic war now, and war time decisions need to be much more pragmatic than peace time ones.

            He said it all today: Countries that cannot feed themselves, fuel themselves, or defend themselves are now supremely vulnerable. We can feed ourselves, and we can fuel ourselves, and we can fuel and feed others. We need to offer that so that they will defend us, as we build up the means to defend ourselves.

            Shaking off being a US vassal state is going to get a little messy.

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            • G glide@lemmy.ca

              Okay, 100% with you on his love for fossil fuels and military spending, but what specifically has he done to be deserving of calling him out of “authoritarian bullshit”?

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              kbal
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              #23

              Read a few more words there and find out. He didn’t write that legislation, but he approved of it, has had the power to stop it all along, and has not renounced it.

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              • L lemonysplit@lemmy.ca

                Dont have to imagine, just wait till next election. Pretty sure it’s only gunna get worse from here and it was too close for comfort this time.

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                lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
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                Doubt timbit trump will even be around next federal election.

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                • T twinnie@feddit.uk

                  Is it possible Canada could join the EU? I’d love it if all America’s former allies just formed a “cool club” and started isolating the US.

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                  windex007@lemmy.world
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                  Little bit of trivia is that Canada shares a land border with the EU.

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                  • K kichae@lemmy.ca

                    Yes, exactly. Actions speak louder than words, of course, and his actions around fossil fuels feel very counter to his published words, but he has also said that we are at economic war now, and war time decisions need to be much more pragmatic than peace time ones.

                    He said it all today: Countries that cannot feed themselves, fuel themselves, or defend themselves are now supremely vulnerable. We can feed ourselves, and we can fuel ourselves, and we can fuel and feed others. We need to offer that so that they will defend us, as we build up the means to defend ourselves.

                    Shaking off being a US vassal state is going to get a little messy.

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                    fireretardant@lemmy.world
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                    Yes, unfortunately when push comes to shove, environmentalism will often be pushed aside to level the playing field.

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                    • T twinnie@feddit.uk

                      Is it possible Canada could join the EU? I’d love it if all America’s former allies just formed a “cool club” and started isolating the US.

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                      puppinstuff@lemmy.ca
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                      Would we have to start calling it Ourope?

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                        cornshark@lemmy.world
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                        Tldr “if you don’t know, I’m not gonna tell you”

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                        • C cornshark@lemmy.world

                          Tldr “if you don’t know, I’m not gonna tell you”

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                          kbal
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                          Him I took the time to answer. You I will block.

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                          • L lemonysplit@lemmy.ca

                            Dont have to imagine, just wait till next election. Pretty sure it’s only gunna get worse from here and it was too close for comfort this time.

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                            BurgerBaron
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                            At least they’re keeping this charisma void for now: https://sendvid.com/w057xycg

                            catbox kept breaking the file fml

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                            • BurgerBaronB BurgerBaron

                              Hopefully Macron hears this, given the leaked texts to Trump today.

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                              ruuster13@lemmy.zip
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                              Macron has been brilliant with foreign policy. A little less with domestic policy. Still he’s been boldly playing 4-D chess with Putin and 1-D checkers with Trump.

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                                glide@lemmy.ca
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                                I think I perceive that event as Trump appeasement more than authoritarian bullshit, but I at least get where you’re coming from, and I agree that it was a bullshit move. I liked Carney for being someone who I had believed would stand up to Trump, as opposed to our other option, who is still likely still trying to brush the flavour of boot leather out of his mouth. Doing shit to placate the orange turd is just going to empower him. We already saw this once with Hitler and the strategy of appeasement; we don’t need to see it again.

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                                  Is it possible Canada could join the EU? I’d love it if all America’s former allies just formed a “cool club” and started isolating the US.

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                                  reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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                                  I would love it, however we are an exporting economy so having the euro as our currency may hurt but also trade with the EU would be easier.

                                  The US is not going to be standing as it is by this time next year, maybe sooner.

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                                    'The old order is not coming back,' Carney says in provocative speech at Davos | CBC News

                                    Prime Minister Mark Carney delivered a frank assessment of how he views the world in a provocative speech in Davos, Switzerland, on Tuesday, where he said the longstanding U.S.-led, rules-based international order is over and middle powers like Canada must pivot to avoid falling prey to further "coercion" from powerful actors.

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                                    olivemoon@lemmy.ca
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                                    We have the most eloquent, educated, kick ass leader! I shudder to think what PP would be doing under these circumstances. He’d probably be peeing his pants…

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                                    • T StinkyFingerItchyBum

                                      Reminds me of a Trudeau speech just before he left. He spoke to Canadians and used typical 6th grade english politicians use when adressing very large audiences. Then he adressed Trump directly, looked right into the camera and immediately switched to mono syllabic caveman speech. I swear you could even see a suppressed smirk peek through. I laughed so hard and long I couldn’t hear what he actually said to him.

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                                      olivemoon@lemmy.ca
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                                      But, it wasn’t Trudeau. Have you watched the Carney speech at Davos? The whole world stood and clapped. Carney has worked his ass off to find trades away from the U.S.

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                                      • O olivemoon@lemmy.ca

                                        But, it wasn’t Trudeau. Have you watched the Carney speech at Davos? The whole world stood and clapped. Carney has worked his ass off to find trades away from the U.S.

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                                        StinkyFingerItchyBum
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                                        I have no idea what you are talking about. You misread what I said.

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                                        • G glide@lemmy.ca

                                          I think I perceive that event as Trump appeasement more than authoritarian bullshit, but I at least get where you’re coming from, and I agree that it was a bullshit move. I liked Carney for being someone who I had believed would stand up to Trump, as opposed to our other option, who is still likely still trying to brush the flavour of boot leather out of his mouth. Doing shit to placate the orange turd is just going to empower him. We already saw this once with Hitler and the strategy of appeasement; we don’t need to see it again.

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                                          kbal
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                                          The bill itself was full of maximally authoritarian bullshit, causing all the civil society groups to oppose it as loudly as they did. It remains around in some form, last I heard, still theoretically in the legislative process somewhere, a continuing threat to us all should the Liberals feel confident enough to try and pass any of the worst parts of it into law.

                                          It might’ve been an attempt to appease Trump, or it might’ve been pushed by some Trumpist infiltrator within the party, I don’t know. Optimistically, we can hope that Carney wasn’t really aware of what was in it, and on a topic outside his areas of expertise he was simply misled by people he mistakenly chose to trust. In any case I’m sure he will have learned from the experience.

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