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  • A ssillyssadass

    That she included homosexuality in that list really says a lot about her

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    Schadrach
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    She was religious and this is from the early 80s. It’s not even in the top ten most batshit things she said or wrote. From an early 80s Christian conservative standpoint homosexuality is basically just a more narrow category or sex perversion. She was also one of the big voices in the Satanic Panic in general and considered a subject matter expert, including writing things like interrogation guides for law enforcement.

    Here’s a couple of examples of her lunacy:

    THE WHO WHAT WHEN WHERE AND HOW OF TEEN SATANISM
    
    WHO
    1. Adolescents from all walks of life.
    2. Many from middle to upper middle class families
    3. Intelligent
    Over or Under Achievers
    Creative/Curious
    Some are Rebellious
    Some have low self esteem and are loners
    Some children have been abused (physically or sexually)
    
    WHEN does this occur?
    It appears the ages most vulnerable are 11-17
    
    WHERE?
    1. Public places such as rock concerts, game clubs in communities or at school.
    2. Private parties at a friend’s home.
    
    HOW?
    1. Through Black Heavy Metal Music
    2. Through fantasy role playing games like Dungeons & Dragons (R)
    3. Obsession with movies, videos, which have occult themes
    4. Collecting and reading/researching occult books
    5. Involvement with “Satanic Cults”, through recruitment
    6. Some are born into families who pratice “satanic cult rituals”
    
    TWO BASIC PRINCIPLES APPLY HERE “Law of Attraction” and the “Law of Invitation”
    
    WHAT can be expected?
    1. Obsession with occult entertainment
    2. Minor to major behavior disorders
    3. Committing crimes and status offenses such as:
    A. Running away
    B. Graverobbing (such as bones)
    C. Breaking and entering to steal religious artifacts or sometimes stealing small items to prove loyalty to the group
    D. Defacing public or private property using “Satanic Graffetti” or related Graffetti 
    E. Threatening to kill (self or others, self mutilation is very common)
    F. Aggression directed towards family, teachers and authority figures
    G. Contempt for organized religion
    H. Supremist attitudes
    I. Kidnapping or assistance in kidnapping
    J. Murder
    K. Suicide pacts among members of the group
    
    WHAT can we do?
    1. Document all information relating to occult involvement (even if it does not appear relevant at the time)
    2. Keep an open mind
    3. Stay objective
    4. Never assume that an individual is acting along until all other information surrounding the case and individual has been fully investigated.
    5. If individual is involved in “satanic activity,” he/she will deny a great deal to protect other members of the group as well as the “satanic philosophy”.
    6. Have a team approach, work with a therapist, a clergymen and other helping professionals.
    7. Educate the community so that potential tragedies might be avoided.
    
    
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    • S Schadrach

      Don’t forget the woman whose son committed suicide so she created an anti-D&D group called Bothered About Dungeons and Dragons. Her group described D&D as “a fantasy role-playing game which uses demonology, witchcraft, voodoo, murder, rape, blasphemy, suicide, assassination, insanity, sex perversion, homosexuality, prostitution, satanic type rituals, gambling, barbarism, cannibalism, sadism, desecration, demon summoning, necromantics, divination and other teachings.”

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      piccolo@sh.itjust.works
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      Her group described D&D as “a fantasy role-playing game which uses demonology, witchcraft, voodoo, murder, rape, blasphemy, suicide, assassination, insanity, sex perversion, homosexuality, prostitution, satanic type rituals, gambling, barbarism, cannibalism, sadism, desecration, demon summoning, necromantics, divination and other teachings.”

      checks notes so… the same as the bible?

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      • P piccolo@sh.itjust.works

        Her group described D&D as “a fantasy role-playing game which uses demonology, witchcraft, voodoo, murder, rape, blasphemy, suicide, assassination, insanity, sex perversion, homosexuality, prostitution, satanic type rituals, gambling, barbarism, cannibalism, sadism, desecration, demon summoning, necromantics, divination and other teachings.”

        checks notes so… the same as the bible?

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        Schadrach
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        #55

        I think the Bible fails on the role-playing game front and I don’t remember any voodoo, but otherwise yeah?

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          josefo@leminal.space
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          #56

          But math is satanism

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          • K knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.world

            includes a long sit-down with your DM about what precisely we will be doing in this game and what mechanics we will be using to create the desired experience. You then fill out the appropriate forms in triplicate to create your character. Usually, your DM makes a template for you to use like a shopping list, but the rulebook assumes you are digging through the first 300-page volume selecting your abilities and skills over the course of a day.

            Holy shit. This first bit sounds like a bureaucracy simulator.

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            Wugmeister
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            #57

            Yep! That’s the entire appeal of the system! And I want to make absolutely sure that anyone picking up the game knows that they are getting into, because I am well aware that the fact this is my favorite game system says a lot about me as a person

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              infynis@midwest.social
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              You don’t even need the dice! I was definitely gambling last session when I attuned to a prosthetic eye filled with the trapped souls of everyone that’s ever used it. It gives me 60 feet of Truesight though!

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              • OwlB Owl

                This is parody, right ?

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                bartydecanter@lemmy.sdf.org
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                Sadly, no. It was quite real. I was given some while trick or treating as a kid.

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                • iavicenna@lemmy.worldI iavicenna@lemmy.world

                  I am assuming this was the 2.5ed? THAC0 calculations was treated as an arcane knowledge that only DMs had access to

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                  angrycommiekender@lemmy.world
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                  Gygax really overcomplicated 2.5

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                  • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

                    I mean, it’s not entirely wrong, but saying anything involving dice and risk is gambling, thus meaning it contains the same addictive and problematic features that gambling does, is incredibly simplistic and superficial.

                    It’s like saying carrots and coke is the same thing because both contain sugar.

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                    massive_bereavement
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                    How dare you!

                    <I use an attack of opportunity and I throw my carrot-and-coke cocktail to Squaresinger’s face>

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                    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zipT tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip

                      The Sithrak tracts are much more informative anyway

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                      Even now Sithrak oils the spit

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                      (www.oglaf.com)

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                      sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      Here I go down the oglaf hole 😏 again

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                      • B bremen15@feddit.org

                        I like your grandma. She cared for you; she took a risk by exposing herself to potential danger, fact-checked, and knew math when she saw it.

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                        catdogl0ver@lemmy.world
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                        I hope not people are like that. I have a coworker insists Harry Potter is “Satan”. She has never read it watch a single book or movie.

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                        • massive_bereavementM massive_bereavement

                          How dare you!

                          <I use an attack of opportunity and I throw my carrot-and-coke cocktail to Squaresinger’s face>

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                          squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                          At least not coke and buthane. That would have been worse.

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                          • A ssillyssadass

                            Pearl-clutching “christians” used to be deathly afraid of anything with even slightly negative undertones. “Dungeons? Dragons? That’s the devil! Away Satan! Our children are making pacts with the devil!” Satan was historically represented by a dragon in Christian mythology.

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                            tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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                            Pearl-clutching “christians” used to be deathly afraid of anything

                            Used to be? Harry Potter was 30 years after DnD started and you had jesus jizzers freaking the fuck out about witchcraft. Nowadays some of them believe democrats are literal demons from biblical hell bringing about the end times.

                            Can’t fix stupid.

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                            • C catdogl0ver@lemmy.world

                              I hope not people are like that. I have a coworker insists Harry Potter is “Satan”. She has never read it watch a single book or movie.

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                              crozekiel@lemmy.zip
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                              I bet she’d like it if you told her it was racist and anti-trans…

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                              • B bartydecanter@lemmy.sdf.org

                                Sadly, no. It was quite real. I was given some while trick or treating as a kid.

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                                Owl
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                                Truly The Greatest Country In The World™ !

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                                  etterra@discuss.online
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                                  I knew a guy who got into d&d in middle school and it drastically improved his grades.

                                  The fact is that gaming is reading, writing, math, make believe, structured socializing, and sometimes history and sometimes art. It’s exactly like school, except fun.

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                                  • J josefo@leminal.space

                                    But math is satanism

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                                    etterra@discuss.online
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                                    No you’re thinking paleobiology.

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                                    • K korhaka@sopuli.xyz

                                      People actually think D&D is Satanism? I thought it was a meme

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                                      snowclone@lemmy.world
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                                      It was a real moral panic in the 80s or 90s. To be fair, it’s one of the less deadly moral panics of the 90s. It got a lot of steam when a private detective was hired to find or investigate a troubled teen and found he had committed suicide, and he wrote a book about it and instead said he had become delusional after playing D&D, thought he was the fictional character of RPd and tried to do things his character could do, but killed him. Eventually enough people pointed out the absurdity of the story and people who knew the kid had grown up and made it very clear he committed suicide intentionally and was never delusional, the author then acknowledged he made up the story, but even more perplexing, claimed the teen met him before the suicide, he made it sounds like mere moments before, confessed to drug abuse, and said he didn’t want his parents to find out, so asked him kindly to make up a cover story for his actual actions and motives to protect his family from, or maybe just his mom. Anyway. A lot of people took this seriously, but if you’re even slightly aware of what tabletop rpgs are like is like claiming a high schooler who played too much soccer became delusional and thought he was a soccer ball, and kept trying to inflate himself until he died. I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m just saying if that did happen, playing too much soccer wasn’t related to the delusional mental health disorder.

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                                      • OwlB Owl

                                        This is parody, right ?

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                                        snowclone@lemmy.world
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                                        Chick tracks all feel like a parody of reality, the man was very disturbed, there’s a whole track about a seemingly normal couple and their seven year old daughter, and when missionaries come teach them about Jesus they ask if it’s wrong that they sexually abuse their daughter, after being told that it is in fact wrong, but luckily they can be totally forgiven through Jesus, they decide to be Christians and say the magic words that make you saved, then they promise their daughter to stop abusing her, and all of this is played like it’s really wonderful Jesus is here to save people who molest their kids for years from consequences.

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                                        • S Schadrach

                                          I think the Bible fails on the role-playing game front and I don’t remember any voodoo, but otherwise yeah?

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                                          snowclone@lemmy.world
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                                          No no, there’s a lot of make believe power sets you can pretend to have in there.

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