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This definetly seem very intentional…

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    shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
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    The humble cone of cold:

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      The humble cone of cold:

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      cjoll4@lemmy.world
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        • Detect magic.
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        cjoll4@lemmy.world
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        Nope

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        • B spacelick

          So you need Detect Magic running?

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          cjoll4@lemmy.world
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          Nope

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          • M maniclucky@lemmy.world

            And this is why my group is ok saying “that rule is profoundly dumb” and ignoring it while suspecting Crawford of being involved.

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            Aielman15
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            Crawford also rules that See Invisibility doesn’t remove the advantage/disadvantage on attack rolls because it doesn’t say so in the spell’s effect, so… Yeah, I always ignore what he says.

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            • cjoll4@lemmy.worldC cjoll4@lemmy.world

              Nope

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              spacelick
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              Ope great catch

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              • gutek8134@lemmy.worldG gutek8134@lemmy.world

                I’d argue you can ‘see’ the wall if you place something on it, like:

                • your hand
                • your frontline’s hand (or some other body part)
                • a ghost’s hand
                • flour, dust, tar, enemies’ blood, coughing syrup, and other things that could stick to the surface
                • gecko, spider, and other creatures that wouldn’t fall off; probably also your familiar; dhampir and a high level monk should work, too
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                lumisal@lemmy.world
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                By that logic you can see air because there’s clouds in the sky.

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                • L lumisal@lemmy.world

                  By that logic you can see air because there’s clouds in the sky.

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                  voracitude@lemmy.world
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                  Son of a bitch, that’s a good argument.

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                    shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
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                    #29

                    Oh that’s just bullshit. I’m gonna pretend I didn’t read it

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                      Nope

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                      baahb@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      Technically it only refers to visible creatures. Objects doesnt have the adjective visible.

                      Unlikely, but a particularly bull headed person could read this as though detect magic could identify invisible objects.

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                        Jerkface (any/all)
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                        If you can target an invisible wall, it introduces a lot of ways for things to go wrong. The spell caster is taking elements on faith and making assumptions, and those can be subverted…

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                          no_money_just_change@feddit.org
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                          I would go line of fire logic.

                          You theoretically can not target the wall, but you can target something on the outerside and will then hit the wall instead

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                          • B baahb@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                            Technically it only refers to visible creatures. Objects doesnt have the adjective visible.

                            Unlikely, but a particularly bull headed person could read this as though detect magic could identify invisible objects.

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                            squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                            I’m kinda surprised how vague many of the DnD rules are written.

                            Didn’t they have a rules lawyer at hand when writing these?

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                            • N no_money_just_change@feddit.org

                              I would go line of fire logic.

                              You theoretically can not target the wall, but you can target something on the outerside and will then hit the wall instead

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                              jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                              As I have said in another comment, that is RAW not what would happen:

                              “You can’t even cast it on something behind the wall, because you cannot target something (or someone) with a spell if they are behind total cover. Total cover is created by being behind completely behind an obstacle (like a wall). This counts even if the obstacle is invisible.”

                              Furthermore, because if you chose an invalid target for a spell, you’d still expend the spellslot but there would be no effect. So you actually spend a sixth level spell a lot to achieve nothing."

                              It’s very much not RAI I’d say and I would likely handle exactly like you described, but the RAW was so wonky that I wanted to make the meme when I found out about it.

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                                jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                                #35

                                Yeah I thought of that one as well. It’s one of those weird cases of imprecise wording.

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                                • Carl [he/him]C Carl [he/him]

                                  I’ve never liked arbitrary spell targeting restrictions. I say if you want to fire blindly around cover or into a fog cloud you should be able to. It doesn’t come up very often and because it’s easy for players to understand that they’ll have a very high chance of missing and losing the spell slot.

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                                  jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                                  I actually think it’s a fair restriction for spells that require sight. It imposes a somewhat interesting limit on casters, especially since a lot of spells still do something on a miss.

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                                    jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                                    Funnily enough, Shatter actually has a very easy solution: Objects just take the damage and that’s it.

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                                    • gutek8134@lemmy.worldG gutek8134@lemmy.world

                                      I’d argue you can ‘see’ the wall if you place something on it, like:

                                      • your hand
                                      • your frontline’s hand (or some other body part)
                                      • a ghost’s hand
                                      • flour, dust, tar, enemies’ blood, coughing syrup, and other things that could stick to the surface
                                      • gecko, spider, and other creatures that wouldn’t fall off; probably also your familiar; dhampir and a high level monk should work, too
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                                      jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                                      I’d argue that RAW the wall is still invisible. You now just have the means to pinpoint it’s location.

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                                      • cjoll4@lemmy.worldC cjoll4@lemmy.world

                                        Nope

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                                        jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                                        Oh dear I didn’t even know that. Well that makes it even more absurd.

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                                        • M maniclucky@lemmy.world

                                          And this is why my group is ok saying “that rule is profoundly dumb” and ignoring it while suspecting Crawford of being involved.

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                                          Skua
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                                          Ironically here, Crawford actually thinks that the text of disintegrate does in fact permit you to target a wall of force that you can’t see. I don’t quite understand how he thinks it says that, but it does at least confirm the intention

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