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Study finds 72% of Developers View Steam as Monopoly [from the overall pool, 75% of respondents were senior managers]

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  • T TWeaK

    It’s only a monopoly in that it’s so much more popular than everything else that’s come along, and the main reason for that is because it’s better than competitors. Most others are just publisher stores, and almost all have functionality that users disagree with.

    In the OP article, the game distribution platform Rokky is also apparently a publisher store, having recently bought the rights to distribute Chinese games in the west.

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    evilcultist@sh.itjust.works
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    I avoided signing up for years because I thought it would lead to us only owning a revokable digital license to every new game. Oh how the turn tables.

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        ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        from the overall pool, 75% of respondents were senior managers

        So… not developers, but businessmen.

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          korhaka@sopuli.xyz
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          Haven’t even bothered making an account on epic for the free games or what ever they are offering. I just don’t care, steam is so much better. Got a few games in GoG too but I wish they did a little better in the Linux support side of things.

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            Che Banana
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            absolutely spot on write up, thank you

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              bluegrass_addict@lemmy.ca
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              it’s just not worth the trouble even free

              for me, it all boils down to this. The best DRM is making garbage. I won’t even sail the seas to find it, I just will never use it.

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              • F fckreddit@lemmy.ml

                Bullshit. There are many other PC games stores and launchers. Only reason they don’t have lot of users is because they are just not very good. In my view, Valve is not actively trying to establish any monopoly, their competition is mostly incompetent, especially EGS. Of course, I understand that if devs want their games to succeed, they have to play by Valve’s rules, but let’s face it, that’s where customers are. This is not by some trickery of Valve. It’s because Valve happens to be very pro-consumer. So, I don’t agree with the assertion that Steam is a monopoly.

                Epic games store could have been great and yet, Epic’s disdain for gamers has caused it to fail. Now EGS is just a glorified Fortnite launcher for the most part.

                I am not saying that Steam or even Valve is perfect. They are not. They are just leagues better than their competition.

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                superduperkitten@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                I will also say is that major reason why Steam has an monopoly is that they have invested their resources to streamline the PC gaming experience and also make gaming on Linux better as well as Steam controller which also allows us to remap control layout.

                None the alternative does that and are just another DRM-Storefront. That’s my major pet peeve with Steam alternative like Epic Games Launcher. Closest we have is GOG for to be able to download offline installer and most the games are DRM-free. Otherwise, I just would rather buy games on Steam as it just works for me… 🤷

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                • E evilcultist@sh.itjust.works

                  I avoided signing up for years because I thought it would lead to us only owning a revokable digital license to every new game. Oh how the turn tables.

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                  a_person
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                  *Oh, how the turn tables turn.

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                    poopfeast420@lemmy.zip
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                    Game distribution platform Rokky has just released the results of a study it conducted with 306 senior managers of PC game developers (all from the US or UK)

                    Unsurprising that they find this, since that’s what their business is about.

                    MAXIMIZE GLOBAL GAME SALES WITH ROKKY

                    Expand sales of your PC game beyond Steam. Sell game keys to 200+ global storefronts simultaneously with Rokky. Enjoy revenue increases of up to 100%.

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                    • B bluegrass_addict@lemmy.ca

                      it’s just not worth the trouble even free

                      for me, it all boils down to this. The best DRM is making garbage. I won’t even sail the seas to find it, I just will never use it.

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                      emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      Epic has offered quite a few decent games for free but their forced client/launcher is such shit that its not even worth installing. I absolutely wouldn’t be surprised if people pirate games even after they’ve gotten them free on epic just to not have to deal with that bullshit.

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                      • E emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                        Epic has offered quite a few decent games for free but their forced client/launcher is such shit that its not even worth installing. I absolutely wouldn’t be surprised if people pirate games even after they’ve gotten them free on epic just to not have to deal with that bullshit.

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                        sturgist@lemmy.ca
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                          tattorack@lemmy.world
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                          It’s a free market, right? Customers choosing what they prefer and all that? And then eventually the one that provides the best price-for-service ratio comes out on top? Something like that, right?

                          If you want to stop Steam from being so ubiquitous with PC gaming, then create some proper competition. The only one that comes close in my eyes is GOG.

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                            Caveman
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                            They’re a functional monopoly in my case since I’m on Linux. GOG is the main competitor for my money.

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                            • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

                              It’s a free market, right? Customers choosing what they prefer and all that? And then eventually the one that provides the best price-for-service ratio comes out on top? Something like that, right?

                              If you want to stop Steam from being so ubiquitous with PC gaming, then create some proper competition. The only one that comes close in my eyes is GOG.

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                              devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              You do not understand the issues around monopolies and it shows.

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                                You do not understand the issues around monopolies and it shows.

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                                tattorack@lemmy.world
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                                You do not understand what a monopoly is.

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                                • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

                                  You do not understand what a monopoly is.

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                                  devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  Unlike yourself apparently, I learned that in school: Monopoly is made up of two greek words “monos”, meaning single, kinda like mono and “polein”, meaning sell. It’s a market where there is a single seller. But unlike what you think, it is not possible to simply “create better competition”. A monopoly is controlled by a single entity. You can not enter a market controlled by a singular entity without ludicrous amounts of luck or wealth. There is a reason why even the US, the country with the most, largest monopolies in the world, has antitrust laws.

                                  I had a reason to call you out, you didn’t even get any insight to my thought.

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                                    Valve is “de facto” monopoly, bit the actual monopoly potential is in Microsoft hands. Microsoft is for PC gaming industry what Google is for the web browser one. Sure, there may be other cool web browsers, but it’s Google that (through Android base) decide whic web browser will be delivered with the next billions of Android mobile device: some elderly people on smartphone don’t even know what is a web browser (“oh, you mean when I Google? I don’t know: I just Google”).

                                    All future new PC will be sold with Microsoft Store and Xbox junk ware: Microsoft has been exceptionally shitty for not being the actual monopoly in the PC gaming industry. But that’s a very feeble protection: break Valve business is just a mandatory “security update” away to happen. They can break Steam little by little (such as suggested by Tim Sweeney) or just a big blow by sheer monopolized manipulation (such as Google not allowing adblockers to chrome to feed their advertising business)

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                                      Unlike yourself apparently, I learned that in school: Monopoly is made up of two greek words “monos”, meaning single, kinda like mono and “polein”, meaning sell. It’s a market where there is a single seller. But unlike what you think, it is not possible to simply “create better competition”. A monopoly is controlled by a single entity. You can not enter a market controlled by a singular entity without ludicrous amounts of luck or wealth. There is a reason why even the US, the country with the most, largest monopolies in the world, has antitrust laws.

                                      I had a reason to call you out, you didn’t even get any insight to my thought.

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                                      tattorack@lemmy.world
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                                      Very smart. You learned how to repeat words written in books. You’re probably very proud of yourself.

                                      You still don’t know what a monopoly is, however, considering this is a discussion about Valve and Steam.

                                      But keep trying.

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                                      • K korhaka@sopuli.xyz

                                        Haven’t even bothered making an account on epic for the free games or what ever they are offering. I just don’t care, steam is so much better. Got a few games in GoG too but I wish they did a little better in the Linux support side of things.

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                                        aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        I’ve been gaming on Linux for a year now and I have (and run) way more games from GOG than Steam.

                                        Historically I avoided Steam because of the whole “you don’t own the games, you just license them at full price” nature of the “phone home” validation they have for most games, so I had a much larger collection in GOG than Steam to begin with since I would only get from Steam the really interesting games which I wouldn’t find in GOG (plenty of games I simply did not buy because they were Steam only).

                                        That said, running GOG games in Linux is as least as simple as Steam games, thanks to me using Lutris which does all the heavy lifting of properly configuring Wine and VKDX to run my games and even integrates with GOG to directly download the installers: in practice I have about the same chance of success with click-and-play installing and running a game in Linux from the Steam Store via the Steam App as I do from GOG via Lutris.

                                        Then on top of that, because I’m a techie, I actually prefer Lutris + Wine because it’s so much more open for configuration than Steam and to figure out yourself how to run games for which there are no pre-made configuration scripts, such as pirated ones - for example, for one of my Steam games I couldn’t at all find a way to run the official version of the game in Linux via the Steam App, but I could get the pirated version of that game to run just fine via Lutris.

                                        I even have a default setting in Lutris which will run my games inside a Firejail sandbox with networking disabled plus a bunch of other security settings, something I can’t do in Steam (were I can only do it for the entire Steam App, which won’t function with disabled networking).

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                                        • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

                                          Very smart. You learned how to repeat words written in books. You’re probably very proud of yourself.

                                          You still don’t know what a monopoly is, however, considering this is a discussion about Valve and Steam.

                                          But keep trying.

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                                          devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          I don’t need to keep trying, as this isn’t about me convincing you, but simply about me showing that you are wrong, which according to our like/dislike ratio I successfully did. You do not matter here. The academic truth does.

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