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Epic CEO [Tim Sweeney] says AI disclosures like Steam's make "no sense" because AI will be involved in "nearly all" future game development

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  • C cashsky@sh.itjust.works

    As if down voting me is going to make the AI problem go away. Lemmy baffles me. People on here are the most pro FOSS but luddites at the same time when it comes to AI.

    There is no going back from anyone this. We are gonna have to figure out how to live with the consequences of AI. We should be making a lot more noise about AI to law makers. It’s coming for all of our jobs now matter what sector you work in. At some point people are going to have to accept it and make the best of it.

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    strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    #111

    People on here are the most pro FOSS but luddites at the same time when it comes to AI.

    This is consistent. Do you realize who the Luddites were?

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    • C chunes@lemmy.world

      Never thought I’d agree with Tim Sweeney on anything.

      John Carmack has a good take on AI in game dev too.

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      rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world
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      #112

      There’s a huge difference between AI for behind the scenes things, and AI artwork, animation, and voices.

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      • 1 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de

        AI generated visuals and music are one thing, but one use of AI in that category is giving NPCs actually interesting things to say.

        Currently, without AI, they have one or two lines about the weather, or the general state of affairs, but if you can pass an LLM the current state of the world and the player’s recent actions, then run the output through a tts model tuned to a distinct voice to, you’d be making the world feel way deeper than it is now with much more insightful interactions. You could maybe go even further and add infinite mini-quests in a similar manner, but it’s better to start off small.

        AI doesn’t have to replace, and the best studios will use it to enhance and add to their art, the average ones will avoid it, and the worst ones will use it to replace art.

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        bthest
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        #113

        And who’s going to be powering that NPC’s LLM model? Unless all you want is a free hotlinked chatbot window disguised as a character? Because the publishers and developers sure as hell won’t power it on their end and if they do you’ll be paying out the ass for it. Otherwise that LLM for an NPC will have to run locally on your own hardware…in addition to the game itself.

        So yeah, have fun with that.

        And dialogue generation is ALL they can do btw. They can’t navigate a character around a 3d environment or even play against you in a grand strategy game. So, looking at RAM and GPU prices… yeah the novelty of LLM in games will run it’s course pretty quick.

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          feathercrown@lemmy.world
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          #114

          This is why Epic is losing lol

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          • M monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world

            Waste of ink really

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            scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            #115

            People are all gonna die, eventually. Might as well get it over with.

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            • B bthest

              And who’s going to be powering that NPC’s LLM model? Unless all you want is a free hotlinked chatbot window disguised as a character? Because the publishers and developers sure as hell won’t power it on their end and if they do you’ll be paying out the ass for it. Otherwise that LLM for an NPC will have to run locally on your own hardware…in addition to the game itself.

              So yeah, have fun with that.

              And dialogue generation is ALL they can do btw. They can’t navigate a character around a 3d environment or even play against you in a grand strategy game. So, looking at RAM and GPU prices… yeah the novelty of LLM in games will run it’s course pretty quick.

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              1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
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              #116

              It’d be a small model run locally, taking up maybe half a GB of VRAM

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              • F feathercrown@lemmy.world

                This is why Epic is losing lol

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                appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                #117

                Agreed.
                What does it cost them to make a checkbox and show the value to the customer?

                If they fear it, they know that the knowledge will make me think twice on buying it.

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                • iontempted@lemmynsfw.comI iontempted@lemmynsfw.com

                  I’ve said this before that typically people don’t know what they are talking about AI, but I don’t expect this from people who SHOULD know what AI is.

                  There could be technologies that AI can assist with, hell I’m not a game dev but I assume even back in the day, devs used tricks and technologies that today could be considered as AI

                  However AI as in it will write you code, generate you a game and write you a story? Hell no.

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                  appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  #118

                  Yes, nuance is important

                  but
                  I’d argue that demanding the customer seller fill out a 20 page form on what the AI was used for (and additionally which model) would result in the opposite sentiment for the seller and customer.
                  Theres a line between too little and too much information.

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                  • S scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    People are all gonna die, eventually. Might as well get it over with.

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                    appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    #119

                    The funeral services community liked that.

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                    • R rampantparanoia2365@lemmy.world

                      There’s a huge difference between AI for behind the scenes things, and AI artwork, animation, and voices.

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                      appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      #120

                      Technical involvement/assistance: Sure, use whatever tools you have

                      Artistic: Hm…Maybe. Tell what it was used for and I can say if I agree with it.

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                      • B bthest

                        And who’s going to be powering that NPC’s LLM model? Unless all you want is a free hotlinked chatbot window disguised as a character? Because the publishers and developers sure as hell won’t power it on their end and if they do you’ll be paying out the ass for it. Otherwise that LLM for an NPC will have to run locally on your own hardware…in addition to the game itself.

                        So yeah, have fun with that.

                        And dialogue generation is ALL they can do btw. They can’t navigate a character around a 3d environment or even play against you in a grand strategy game. So, looking at RAM and GPU prices… yeah the novelty of LLM in games will run it’s course pretty quick.

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                        appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #121

                        In theory they could offer the ability in the settings to use the NPU if one is available.
                        Basically the same situation as it was with Raytracing.

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                          myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip
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                          He is funded by tencent. Of course he will push ai.

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                            mehblah@lemmy.world
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                            Just go ahead and admit you can’t sell games anymore sweeney.

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                              hayvan@feddit.nl
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                              #124

                              Bad title, he’s not an epic CEO at all.

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                                loafedburrito@lemmy.world
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                                Lucky for them, I won’t buy any new games. Too many fantastic older games to play that they didn’t cheat and cut corners to produce.

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                                  pyre@lemmy.world
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                                  there should be a law that says all CEOs must shut the fuck up always and forever

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                                    bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Yeah we are on the losing side of history. The future will be total ai slop. People love it. We will be the grumpy old folks yelling that the tv ruined the world.

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                                    • P pyre@lemmy.world

                                      there should be a law that says all CEOs must shut the fuck up always and forever

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                                      SkaveRat
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                                      Idunno. Helps decision making

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                                        Idunno. Helps decision making

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                                        pyre@lemmy.world
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                                        #129

                                        yeah for example even though I was inactive for years, it took zuck himself to help me make my decision to get the fuck off of fascbook in 2018

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                                        • 1 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de

                                          It’d be a small model run locally, taking up maybe half a GB of VRAM

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                                          iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world
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                                          Bruh, that’s like 25-50% on an Nvidia card. Too much overhead! /s

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