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  3. Carney's WEF speech looks to be AI generated. While I don't have a problem with using LLMs to help with writing, can he really not afford to pay a human staffer to help write his speeches?

Carney's WEF speech looks to be AI generated. While I don't have a problem with using LLMs to help with writing, can he really not afford to pay a human staffer to help write his speeches?

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    This was a speech by a world leader for a global audience. I guarantee you that the tool you are using to identify LLM usage was not trained on or designed for this kind of data set. That LLM detector is working well above its pay grade.

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      “Moderately confident”
      “This is a BETA feature”

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        AI LLM detection is notoriously unreliable.

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        • Greg ClarkeG Greg Clarke

          This was a speech by a world leader for a global audience. I guarantee you that the tool you are using to identify LLM usage was not trained on or designed for this kind of data set. That LLM detector is working well above its pay grade.

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          LLM speech detectors were never trained on mountains of publicly available data from world leaders is a hell of a cope buddy 🤣

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          • breakfastmtnB breakfastmtn

            “Moderately confident”
            “This is a BETA feature”

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            Weird how putting any actually human written text in there never gets flagged as AI generated, try it yourself kiddo https://app.gptzero.me/

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              AI LLM detection is notoriously unreliable.

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              you can try it yourself by putting text written by actual people and see how that goes https://app.gptzero.me/

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                Weird how putting any actually human written text in there never gets flagged as AI generated, try it yourself kiddo https://app.gptzero.me/

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                That’s not an effective test of whether this works. So no thank you, dear.

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                  Weird how putting any actually human written text in there never gets flagged as AI generated, try it yourself kiddo https://app.gptzero.me/

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                  i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
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                  I pasted in the first half of the speech and it said 100% human.

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                    AI detectors are garbage. Lots of false positives. False negatives. Garbage.

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                      I pasted in the first half of the speech and it said 100% human.

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                      And there you go, it can tell the parts he actually wrote apart.

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                      • breakfastmtnB breakfastmtn

                        That’s not an effective test of whether this works. So no thank you, dear.

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                        You’re welcome to keep coping honey. Here are the guidelines Wikipedia uses to sniff out LLM speech if you don’t trust automated tools. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing

                        Of course, it’s entirely possible that Carney naturally speaks like a chatbot, which doesn’t exactly make it better.

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                        • J justadrone@lemmy.ca

                          AI detectors are garbage. Lots of false positives. False negatives. Garbage.

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                          Exactly, some people just naturally talk like chatbots, an especially common phenomenon among the political class.

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                            Btw, the US constitution from 1787 seems to be AI generated: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/why-ai-detectors-think-the-us-constitution-was-written-by-ai/

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                              Btw, the US constitution from 1787 seems to be AI generated: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/why-ai-detectors-think-the-us-constitution-was-written-by-ai/

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                              wrote on last edited by yogthos@lemmy.ml
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                              nah

                              edit: I love how liberals, who see themselves as bastions of rational thinking, immediately start downvoting facts they don’t like 🤡

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                                @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml

                                You are such a joke.

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                                  @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml

                                  You are such a joke.

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                                  I’d be so insulted right now if I had a shred of respect for you

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                                    wrote on last edited by yogthos@lemmy.ml
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                                    absolutely love how mad y’all are at me for pointing out that Carney talks like a chatbot

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                                      @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml

                                      You are such a joke.

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                                      no u

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                                        you can try it yourself by putting text written by actual people and see how that goes https://app.gptzero.me/

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                                        That doesn’t make LLM detection any more reliable

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                                          That doesn’t make LLM detection any more reliable

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                                          People here don’t seem to understand what LLM detection is. All it does is search for patterns that are very common in chatbot generated speech. It’s not some magical property that’s metaphysical in nature. Either the speech is written by a chatbot, or Carney naturally talks in this sort of vapid and content free fashion which is common for politicians to do.

                                          The real tell with AI writing is in the substance. It’s the weirdly balanced, almost bloodless neutrality on complex topics, the total lack of any authentic personal stake or lived experience, and a distinct feeling that you’re reading a brilliantly comprehensive Wikipedia summary instead of a thought that formed in a human mind with memories, biases, and a body.

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