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  • This is finešŸ”„šŸ¶ā˜•šŸ”„T This is finešŸ”„šŸ¶ā˜•šŸ”„

    In Shadowrun universe, many corpos are run by dragons.

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    mirshe@lemmy.world
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    In actuality, most corpos are run by people. Lofwyr, whose corporate umbrella includes 4758 companies, is an outlier and should not have been counted. /s

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    • C ceenote@lemmy.world

      The king answering with anything other than some variation of ā€œBecause I ordered you toā€ broke my immersion.

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      tetris11@feddit.uk
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      One of the reasons I can never stomach Nick Bostrom’s Fable of the Dragon Tyrant because it depicts the idea of a stoic king who cares about his people.

      (Also, glosses over completely how an ageless soceity would be stacked under feudal-capitalism)

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      • C ceenote@lemmy.world

        The king answering with anything other than some variation of ā€œBecause I ordered you toā€ broke my immersion.

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        rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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        Many powerful people like to make people believe (and possibly believe themselves) that they’re just rulers. And it’s just plainly more effective when your underlings are well-informed of your intentions (assuming you’re not trying to set them up). e.g. imagine if the knight thinks that a dragon is a direct threat to the king and burns down the countryside to hunt it (any means necessary etc.), when in reality it’s not a direct threat to the king at all and you were just supposed to keep the countryside safe from dragonfire.

        Of course, the entire premise is that it’s not obvious to the knight why a dragon must be killed and what are acceptable means to achieve that. e.g. in Faerun’s Sword Coast, you’d expect that every knight is well-informed about this.

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          grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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          Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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            but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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            It’s almost as if the stories of dragons were an allegory for the king or the one sin charge

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              Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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              trevita17@lemmy.world
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              You need massive amounts of wealth to gain and maintain a monopoly on violence. So they did both.

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              • susaga@sh.itjust.worksS susaga@sh.itjust.works

                I wanna run an adventure where a dragon secretly runs a bank, and nobody can tell because it acts exactly like every other banker.

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                spittingimage@lemmy.world
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                No spoilers, but you should check out the Sword Interval webcomic.

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                  You need massive amounts of wealth to gain and maintain a monopoly on violence. So they did both.

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                  captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                  Also if you possess a monopoly on violence wealth is not difficult to obtain

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                  • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works

                    Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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                    wanderingthoughts@europe.pub
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                    The wealth was needed to pay soldiers. You needed soldiers to make sure people did what the king wanted, such as people paying taxes to get wealth. The whole thing with taxes and needing gold as money was basically invented for supporting militia, according to some.

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                      Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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                      barneypiccolo@lemmy.today
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                      Armies are expensive, and war is REALLY expensive.

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                      • C captainlezbian@lemmy.world

                        Also if you possess a monopoly on violence wealth is not difficult to obtain

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                        edgemaster72@lemmy.world
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                        And once you have that wealth you NEED a monopoly on violence to maintain it, which requires more wealth, and so on.

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                          It’s almost as if the stories of dragons were an allegory for the king or the one sin charge

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                          faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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                          I too have played the Shadowrun Returns series

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                          • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works

                            Did kings hoard all the wealth? I thought kings had a monopoly on violence, not necessarily wealth

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                            faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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                            IIRC everything you had was considered to be used by permission of the king. Like, he ostensibly owned everything and was just letting you use it.

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                              mydarkesttimeline01@ani.social
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                              I must have missed the part where the dragon funded infrastructure, hired knights to keep his populace safe, propped up the food stores and economy in times of famine, and negotiated with neighboring kingdoms when needed. Oh and funding research. Forgot how often dragons did that.

                              And for those asking about benevolent kings:

                              Aragorn

                              T’Challa/Black Panther

                              Mufasa

                              King Arthur

                              King Leonidas

                              King Tirian

                              Some real life good kings(and a queen)

                              Emperor Augustus(look up the slave who broke a crystal glass)

                              Empress Wu Zerian

                              Cyrus the Great

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                              • F faythofdragons@slrpnk.net

                                IIRC everything you had was considered to be used by permission of the king. Like, he ostensibly owned everything and was just letting you use it.

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                                m4xie@lemmy.ca
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                                There have been various degrees of absolutely and constitutional monarchies throughout history. One famous example is the limits imposed by the Magna Carta, which only benefited nobles.

                                There has often been a distinction between royal property and the personal property of the royal family or members of the royal family.

                                For instance, many of the palaces of the British royal family are national property and Parliament has a say in their use and must provide a budget for their upkeep. The total family privately owns a significant percentage of the rented agricultural land in England, and vast amounts of residential rentals in London.

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                                • M mirshe@lemmy.world

                                  In actuality, most corpos are run by people. Lofwyr, whose corporate umbrella includes 4758 companies, is an outlier and should not have been counted. /s

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                                  dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                                  But Lofwyr literally controls 95% of the GDP with those companies, who are run by his extended family!

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                                    I must have missed the part where the dragon funded infrastructure, hired knights to keep his populace safe, propped up the food stores and economy in times of famine, and negotiated with neighboring kingdoms when needed. Oh and funding research. Forgot how often dragons did that.

                                    And for those asking about benevolent kings:

                                    Aragorn

                                    T’Challa/Black Panther

                                    Mufasa

                                    King Arthur

                                    King Leonidas

                                    King Tirian

                                    Some real life good kings(and a queen)

                                    Emperor Augustus(look up the slave who broke a crystal glass)

                                    Empress Wu Zerian

                                    Cyrus the Great

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                                    solarvector@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    A yes, the benevolent ruler, almost as common as the benevolent slave owner.

                                    Funded infrastructure

                                    Or, returned a small amount of the value extracted in order to facilitate further extraction

                                    Hired knights to

                                    Keep his interests safe

                                    (Hoarded resources and returned a pittance to prop up) food stores and the economy in times of famine

                                    Negotiated with neighboring kingdoms

                                    To further state interests

                                    Funded research

                                    At public expense for private gain

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                                      I must have missed the part where the dragon funded infrastructure, hired knights to keep his populace safe, propped up the food stores and economy in times of famine, and negotiated with neighboring kingdoms when needed. Oh and funding research. Forgot how often dragons did that.

                                      And for those asking about benevolent kings:

                                      Aragorn

                                      T’Challa/Black Panther

                                      Mufasa

                                      King Arthur

                                      King Leonidas

                                      King Tirian

                                      Some real life good kings(and a queen)

                                      Emperor Augustus(look up the slave who broke a crystal glass)

                                      Empress Wu Zerian

                                      Cyrus the Great

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                                      dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                                      Show me this king that personally leads the road building crew

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                                        sam_bass@lemmy.world
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                                        Here there be

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                                          Show me this king that personally leads the road building crew

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                                          bigbananadealer@lemmy.world
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                                          show me a dragon that doesnt burn down villages

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