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Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder and panopticon architect Peter Thiel

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  • Mugita SokioM Mugita Sokio

    There are some sort of group calls, both video and audio, but it’s mainly a one-man project with contributions by those savvy enough in the community.

    It’s essentially a mixture of features from Discord, Stoat (Revolt), and Guilded, but made in their own unique way.

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    ProdigalFrog
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    It seems like a cool little project, and I appreciate that it’s GPL licensed, but I’m afraid without federation, it can’t quite fulfill the same role that Discord does, as they would need a sudden dramatic increase of funding to be able to support a large userbase on a centralized server, and having another centralized point of failure is really inadvisable, IMO. A big reason for Lemmy/piefed’s success is distributing resource useage across multiple independent servers, and that model translates quite well to a Discord like app too.

    The project is also so new (11 months old) that it hasn’t had adequate time to prove that the codebase could scale to a high user count. It’s in a similar position to Fluxer.app, which is another GPL Discord clone, but one that is open to adding in federation at a later date.

    I also think XMPP’s encryption abilities are pretty essential going forward, as governments and corporations are becoming more invasive into monitoring our communications.

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      Pratai
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      Watch how many people still keep using this trash.

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      • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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        sendmephotos@lemmy.world
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        Honestly I’ll just go back to IRC.

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        • W willy@sh.itjust.works

          kinda weird.

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          frunch@lemmy.world
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          I can’t think of a much weirder duo, tbh

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            einlander@lemmy.world
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            Why would I trust these specific old men with my data and to keep kids safe?

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              matlag
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              Peter Thiel is mentioned over 2000 times in the Epstein files, so now you should wonder if the verification is about acquiring adults data or identifying unattended kids usernames…

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              • P Pratai

                Watch how many people still keep using this trash.

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                spiderhamster@midwest.social
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                For real. I’ve provided a matrix instance for people to test to see if it suits their needs and to stress test it to make sure it’s reliable at the scale we need. So far it’s been great for two of us but I’m afraid the rest are all going to join at the same time, the server won’t be able to handle the number of people doing voice and video chats and then they’ll hate the whole thing. Other thing they might do is join the main Matrix instance and see how slow it is. That’s almost worse.

                I’m sorry, you didn’t ask for all this info. You said a thing and it made me want to get some stuff off my chest. I almost posted more but deleted it. Then I wrote more and deleted that. I’m just gonna stop now but I feel better now that I’ve typed some things at a stranger on the internet that I agree with. It’s almost like a virtual hug. Hope you felt it too 😄

                Yeah, I’ve been drinking. It’s Friday somewhere.

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                • P Pratai

                  Watch how many people still keep using this trash.

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                  xtr0n@sh.itjust.works
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                  People still use fucking Twitter. I hope people will choose alternatives but I’m not holding my breath.

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                  • C CubitOom

                    Peter Theil is also JD Vance’s mentor

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                    tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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                    you mean his puppet master. just like he hides behind his puppets that control LOTR themed companies.

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                    • M matlag

                      Peter Thiel is mentioned over 2000 times in the Epstein files, so now you should wonder if the verification is about acquiring adults data or identifying unattended kids usernames…

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                      tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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                      #18

                      gawker couldve been up to something about thiels businesses pratices before they got sued to the grown. He is used being outed as a gay as a pretense to try to shut them down prior to hogans lawsuit.

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                      • ProdigalFrogP ProdigalFrog

                        The fascist noose is tightening the world over thanks to proprietary big tech. We have to escape now while we can to open-source alternatives.

                        Currently the best private (encrypted) and federated Discord alternative is Movim, which I highly recommend people switch to as soon as possible (the Dev is currently working on discord-like channels with rooms).

                        For a more complete guide to swapping proprietary apps for safe open-source ones, I suggest referring to this post: https://slrpnk.net/post/23012609

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                        thethrilloftime69
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                        Dude I just spent 10 mins trying to get the thing to let me make an account. It kept saying my username didn’t fit the format requirements, but then didn’t tell me what the format requirements were.

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                        • S sendmephotos@lemmy.world

                          Honestly I’ll just go back to IRC.

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                          pedz@lemmy.ca
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                          Check out The Lounge or Convos if you are willing to use a web client. They display history, images on channels, allow uploads, preview URLs and have push notifications.

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                          • ProdigalFrogP ProdigalFrog

                            The fascist noose is tightening the world over thanks to proprietary big tech. We have to escape now while we can to open-source alternatives.

                            Currently the best private (encrypted) and federated Discord alternative is Movim, which I highly recommend people switch to as soon as possible (the Dev is currently working on discord-like channels with rooms).

                            For a more complete guide to swapping proprietary apps for safe open-source ones, I suggest referring to this post: https://slrpnk.net/post/23012609

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                            cafefrog@lemmy.cafe
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                            Alternative link for the guide, since slrpnk is currently down for a bit.

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                            • S sendmephotos@lemmy.world

                              Honestly I’ll just go back to IRC.

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                              chasteinsect@programming.dev
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                              What was the main problem that eventually made everyone move from it ? I remember back in my teen days it was Teamspeak, Skype and IRC. Somehow I got by with mostly Skype so don’t have much experience with it.

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                              • M matlag

                                Peter Thiel is mentioned over 2000 times in the Epstein files, so now you should wonder if the verification is about acquiring adults data or identifying unattended kids usernames…

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                                hector@lemmy.today
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                                Maybe we should start an international boycott and divestment of every person with any ties to Epstein. Any ties, just because the administration blacked out the details and they tell us they only visited the rape island with their family to [insert non rapey reason:] we should boycott everything and everyone involved.

                                Not just boycott and divest because it’s morally abhorrent, but also because they can’t be trusted. Someones, multitple parties, are holding information about them that could ruin them. They can weather that they were friends with Epstein, they can’t weather the details being released, pictures and video of them raping kids. Israel has the information, the president’s own fixers have it now too. Thiel might have it, (both the prez and thiel now have copies of all the information held by federal agencies that they exported with doge now too, you know it,) and russia might have some of it. Other oligarchs could have it, and the rich and connected could buy the information to use it if they wanted to.

                                Bottom line we can’t trust anyone that’s compromised. And while a boycott and divestment of people involved might start out small, it would receive instant buy in from the rest of the world. Any company thiel is involved in needs to be boycotted, divested from. Any government hiring his company needs to lose our support.

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                                • C chasteinsect@programming.dev

                                  What was the main problem that eventually made everyone move from it ? I remember back in my teen days it was Teamspeak, Skype and IRC. Somehow I got by with mostly Skype so don’t have much experience with it.

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                                  sendmephotos@lemmy.world
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                                  There wasn’t one. They’re still around and people still idle.

                                  Discord is the same thing but with added features like voice, photos, gifs, and other services.

                                  Under the hood, it’s just updated IRC with analytics

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                                  • T thethrilloftime69

                                    Dude I just spent 10 mins trying to get the thing to let me make an account. It kept saying my username didn’t fit the format requirements, but then didn’t tell me what the format requirements were.

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                                    ProdigalFrog
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                                    That’s certainly unfortunate that it isn’t giving you a useful error. I’m not sure why it says that. I tried creating an account there with a similar username to yours, and it was created no problem on the main movim.eu instance.

                                    Are you using a VPN?

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                                    • T tollana1234567@lemmy.today

                                      gawker couldve been up to something about thiels businesses pratices before they got sued to the grown. He is used being outed as a gay as a pretense to try to shut them down prior to hogans lawsuit.

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                                      hector@lemmy.today
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                                      They should’ve just declared bankruptcy and reformed a new media organization, then pre emptively sued thiel with their own slaap suits.

                                      Why does no one hit these epstein level billionaires back with lawsuits? We should be burying them. We should’ve been fundraising to sponsor lawsuits for people they have cheated, the president for his contractors he hasn’t paid for instance, those that haven’t already settled after he sued them after cheating them. Thiel likewise. We could have bake sales, we could sponsor events, like runs, 20 dollars for a local race to go to suing these guys for real perversions of justice. There are a lot of possibilities.

                                      We need our own forums, social media is hooked by these people, so they would shut that stuff down if tried now. We need new federated social media, with clear and fair enforcement of rules, both in the instances and the main forum(s) such as appeals that culminate in jury trials of members of that instance/forum for violations.

                                      Because with a fair enforcement system we would get the exodus from social media and get critical mass, as social media is selling out to the administration more every day, confident that people have no where else to go. In fact homeland security has sent a raft of "administrative subpoenas to social media, fb, twitter, reddit, for details on people critical of ICE, CBP, etc., for personal details on the users, and reddit and the rest said they mostly complied. Not seemingly telling the users so it can be challenged.

                                      Social media gave up, they gave us up. We have no where else to go and will be locked down in a rigged system. Let’s make them wrong about that.

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                                      • P Pratai

                                        Watch how many people still keep using this trash.

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                                        fatalicus
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                                        I’m still on discord, but that is because the main community I’m on it for is still trying to figure out what alternative to move to.

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                                        • S spiderhamster@midwest.social

                                          For real. I’ve provided a matrix instance for people to test to see if it suits their needs and to stress test it to make sure it’s reliable at the scale we need. So far it’s been great for two of us but I’m afraid the rest are all going to join at the same time, the server won’t be able to handle the number of people doing voice and video chats and then they’ll hate the whole thing. Other thing they might do is join the main Matrix instance and see how slow it is. That’s almost worse.

                                          I’m sorry, you didn’t ask for all this info. You said a thing and it made me want to get some stuff off my chest. I almost posted more but deleted it. Then I wrote more and deleted that. I’m just gonna stop now but I feel better now that I’ve typed some things at a stranger on the internet that I agree with. It’s almost like a virtual hug. Hope you felt it too 😄

                                          Yeah, I’ve been drinking. It’s Friday somewhere.

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                                          Pratai
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                                          I absolutely feel it my friend! And never apologize for speaking out on something that passions you up! Positive enthusiasm is something we are in dire need of!

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