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  • H HubertManne

    if something is going to be dedicated to journalism I would love it if posts required the five W’s and H. as a header to each post. Modern media has destroyed jounalism. The headline should give a decent idea of what its about. The first paragraph should andswer the five W’s and H in sort and the rest of the article should expand on it.

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    wren@lemmy.today
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    I disagree on this. Yes, all those questions should be answered in the article, but I don’t think they should always be condensed to the first paragraph or stated in the post. There are reasons the writer decided to structure their article the way they did.

    The problem with media literacy has as much to do with modern journalism as it does with education, where people form opinion off headlines and/or the first paragraph instead of reading the article.

    Some articles, especially in long form journalism, rely on the narrative, and some subjects are too dense and nuanced to simplify in a cold open.

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    • sgaS sga

      the thing is that i am currently working and get not much free time, and maintaining and filling comms is hard. will wait for some time unti i am unemployed again

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      wren@lemmy.today
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      #13

      Fair enough, and that’s grim. I would of course help post/crosspost/mod(if you want) when it’s set up. Good luck out there in the meantime!

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      • W wren@lemmy.today

        I disagree on this. Yes, all those questions should be answered in the article, but I don’t think they should always be condensed to the first paragraph or stated in the post. There are reasons the writer decided to structure their article the way they did.

        The problem with media literacy has as much to do with modern journalism as it does with education, where people form opinion off headlines and/or the first paragraph instead of reading the article.

        Some articles, especially in long form journalism, rely on the narrative, and some subjects are too dense and nuanced to simplify in a cold open.

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        HubertManne
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        Im a believer in the traditional inverted pyramid design. Journalism is not creative writing. The reason to require it in a post is to show it follows that old school actual journalism motto. You could take it on faith but from what I find people post links of things they never even read themselves. Its annoying.

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        • H HubertManne

          Im a believer in the traditional inverted pyramid design. Journalism is not creative writing. The reason to require it in a post is to show it follows that old school actual journalism motto. You could take it on faith but from what I find people post links of things they never even read themselves. Its annoying.

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          wren@lemmy.today
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          #15

          I read everything I post and think other people should, too. An article should be taken as a whole because I believe in the values of narrative and rhetoric in arguing and conveying information relatably.

          Bias is inherent in everything, and long form journalism is actual journalism, which is creative - like all journalism. Narrative structure, context and word choices all play a part in how a piece of writing feels, which was certainly the case in “old school” journalism. Ever read any old articles by Jack London or Hunter S. Thompson?

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          • W wren@lemmy.today

            I read everything I post and think other people should, too. An article should be taken as a whole because I believe in the values of narrative and rhetoric in arguing and conveying information relatably.

            Bias is inherent in everything, and long form journalism is actual journalism, which is creative - like all journalism. Narrative structure, context and word choices all play a part in how a piece of writing feels, which was certainly the case in “old school” journalism. Ever read any old articles by Jack London or Hunter S. Thompson?

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            HubertManne
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            See I don’t really consider those journalism in the sense of news. They are more like documentaries in some ways. I mean I like mike royko but I don’t want to get my news from his satire even though they do contain news and he did quite a bit of investigation.

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            • H HubertManne

              See I don’t really consider those journalism in the sense of news. They are more like documentaries in some ways. I mean I like mike royko but I don’t want to get my news from his satire even though they do contain news and he did quite a bit of investigation.

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              wren@lemmy.today
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              #17

              That’s up to you, then, but choice in presentation has and will always be a part of journalism.

              If you want to make a community dedicated to bare-bones investigative reports, I support you.

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              • W wren@lemmy.today

                That’s up to you, then, but choice in presentation has and will always be a part of journalism.

                If you want to make a community dedicated to bare-bones investigative reports, I support you.

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                HubertManne
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                oh yeah. of course. I was just giving feedback im not telling you what to do just what I would like. I sorta assume post like this want this type of feedback opinion. Do it any way you like and good luck.

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                • H HubertManne

                  oh yeah. of course. I was just giving feedback im not telling you what to do just what I would like. I sorta assume post like this want this type of feedback opinion. Do it any way you like and good luck.

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                  wren@lemmy.today
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                  I always appreciate other opinions, I hope that came across. I’ll always argue my own points of view as well. I was being earnest when I said I’d support you, but it did feel like we came to an impasse.

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                  • W wren@lemmy.today

                    I always appreciate other opinions, I hope that came across. I’ll always argue my own points of view as well. I was being earnest when I said I’d support you, but it did feel like we came to an impasse.

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                    HubertManne
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                    yeah. I often have stuff like that. People have different opinions and even motivations. Im mean your community is about indpendent journalism and not necesarrilly lois lane, perry white old school stuff. I get that. I think a lot of things online can come off as or turn into arguments when really its just people expressing themselves. its all good and I appreciate anything people do.

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                    • H HubertManne

                      yeah. I often have stuff like that. People have different opinions and even motivations. Im mean your community is about indpendent journalism and not necesarrilly lois lane, perry white old school stuff. I get that. I think a lot of things online can come off as or turn into arguments when really its just people expressing themselves. its all good and I appreciate anything people do.

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                      wren@lemmy.today
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                      It’s easy to read emotion into something even if it’s meant to be neutral. I try to remember that becaue I’m guilty of getting annoyed at text for no reason, too.

                      I made my communities when I saw rules on other major news coms that inadvertently excluded good journalism but allowed for bigger, less reputatable publications to be posted. I wanted to see more, different, international news and less corporate controlled media.

                      I don’t want to make, but would follow a com dedicated to least biased news sources.

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