@otters_raft

What do you want to be banned...the smoking or the nicotine?

All the junk from burning plant matter kills you slowly. Nicotine in small amounts is horribly addictive; that is what keeps the smoking going. Or vaping. Or any other tobacco. I speak from decades of experience, I used them all, from 12 years old to 77. Quitting the nicotine was hell, and the vehicle did not matter.

So ban the damn nicotine and be done with it. Poo on all the people making money out of it, they are drug dealers.

At this point the political will just dies.

Libel tends to be deliberate, yes. You’re inventing motive and projecting it as hard as you can.

While calling for physical violence. If that’s not just banter, please eat a ban.

Meanwhile: flavored cigarettes had this same damn argument, for the same damn reason. You know addiction is hell - why don’t you care enough about stopping new addicts, to put up with nicotine that tastes like nicotine?

This line of argumentation is deranged.

Nicotine is somewhat addictive. It’s not that bad on its own. Quitting nicotine vapes was about as hard as quitting caffeine for me.

I believe in an adult’s right to choose, and harm reduction. The government isn’t here to tell us what’s morally right and wrong, it’s here to define our rights and privileges. It’s fine to restrict where one can smoke or vape because that involves other people. I think it’s a waste of government resources to try and tell people what they “ought” to be doing with their own bodies (because they will never succeed, and it’s not their job.)

If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol

Eh, their argument is that children vaping leads to nicotine addiction leads to smoking. It’s not a great argument, but it’s not entirely without merit. Someone who is using vaping as a more healthy alternative to smoking is already accustomed to the flavor of cigarettes. Flavored vapes aren’t necessary for the smoker to switch.

Imo if vaping is just meant just for the nicotine fix then yeah ban all flavored Vapes and just leave the unflavored ones.

If it is supposed to be fun child enticing air candy then maybe you need to check your morals and invent a better product and we ban all nicotine from the market altogether.

If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol

Dude’s treating people like inhuman scum for *checks notes* preventing childhood addiction, but sure, the problem is calling out that behavior.

edit: Chickened out of a cliche “go outside” to lob the word deranged at the fact tobacco companies already did this once. Not at the frothing emotional-shortcut insults and dreams of a big boot.

Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.

This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.

After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.

They should only allow you to buy little bottles just like with edibles.

Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.

This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.

After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.

Disposable vapes should be banned, single use batteries are a crime against nature

I kind of love how you acknowledge how addictive nicotine is, yet can’t fathom tobacco companies, the same people who lied to their customers for decades to keep their industry afloat, making products specifically to entice new users at an easily suggestible stage in their life.

If laws force me to vape unflavored propylene glycol, I will buy cigarettes again. Tobacco companies know this.

This isn’t just about kids and stop using kids as your fucking moral shield for every limitation you put on adults.

A similar point to be made, we tried this style of legislation in Australia.

Under the guise this was for the publics interest, the only ‘legal’ vapes you can buy in the country now are manufactured by Phillip Morris International and other big tobacco companies.

The blackmarket continues to thrive and with it organised crime grows, have yet to see a pharmacy that stocks ‘legal’ vapes.

Police in my local area are either paid off or get black market tobacco products for free to turn a blind eye to this issue, can’t imagine thats limited to my area only.

I’m all for regulation around nicotine products but I sure as shit wouldn’t trust a pollie to make decent legislation around it at this point in time.

would wine (the drink and cooking ingredient) be considered flavoured?