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Carney: "Iran’s nuclear programme is a grave threat to international security, and Canada has been consistently clear that Iran can never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon."

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  • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

    The USA intelligence people testified Iran wasn’t building nukes, so who to believe?

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    melvin_ferd@lemmy.world
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    #18

    Then what are these facilities?

    Would American intelligence reveal that they know they’re building nukes if they had that information?

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    • G grte@lemmy.ca

      Iran’s nuclear programme is a grave threat to international security, and Canada has been consistently clear that Iran can never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon.

      While U.S. military action taken last night was designed to alleviate that threat, the situation in the Middle East remains highly volatile. Stability in the region is a priority.

      Canada calls on parties to return immediately to the negotiating table and reach a diplomatic solution to end this crisis. As G7 leaders agreed in Kananaskis, the resolution of the Iranian crisis should lead to a broader de-escalation of hostilities in the Middle East, including a ceasefire in Gaza.

      (With apologies for the Twitter link, this post doesn’t seem to have been copied over to Bluesky.)

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      Sunshine (she/her)
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      What a joke of a prime minister!

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      • M melvin_ferd@lemmy.world

        Then what are these facilities?

        Would American intelligence reveal that they know they’re building nukes if they had that information?

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        bcsven@lemmy.ca
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        You can refine uranium for power. Prior to trump breaking deals the Iranians had very low potent uranium. Mostly made up of 3.25 refinement. USA had dropped sanctions in agreement for not processing uranium past 20%. That was fine till trump got in power and broke the deal. Then they started refinement up to 60%. So there could be potential to further refine uranium over 90% purity to make weapons, but the amount they had was tiny, till trump fucked the deal

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        • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

          Why?

          Why is Iran’s nuclear programme such a grave threat? A grave threat, as opposed to… What exactly?

          What makes China, Pakistan, Russia, India, or North Korea less of a threat?

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          doylio@lemmy.ca
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          To take the other side (not sure I agree):

          Iran is unique in that it is run by a government that claims to be Islamic fundamentalists. This could make mutually assured destruction less effective if the ones launching the nukes truly believe that if they die in the retaliation they will go to heaven with their 72 virgins.

          I’m not convinced that the Ayatollah is ok dying in the name of killing infidels, but I do see the merits of this argument.

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          • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

            You can refine uranium for power. Prior to trump breaking deals the Iranians had very low potent uranium. Mostly made up of 3.25 refinement. USA had dropped sanctions in agreement for not processing uranium past 20%. That was fine till trump got in power and broke the deal. Then they started refinement up to 60%. So there could be potential to further refine uranium over 90% purity to make weapons, but the amount they had was tiny, till trump fucked the deal

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            melvin_ferd@lemmy.world
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            I totally agree trump fucked the deal. He’s an absolute narcissist. He wants to tear down anything from Democrats. He wants to put his name on everything.

            But at the end of the day, I’m kind of rooting for him here. I’m hoping this all blows over quickly and we’re in a world where Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons is crippled

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            • M melvin_ferd@lemmy.world

              I totally agree trump fucked the deal. He’s an absolute narcissist. He wants to tear down anything from Democrats. He wants to put his name on everything.

              But at the end of the day, I’m kind of rooting for him here. I’m hoping this all blows over quickly and we’re in a world where Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons is crippled

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              bcsven@lemmy.ca
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              #23

              I seriously doubt its all going to blow over. No retailiation by Iran sends a signal of " bomb us anyone, we don’t fire back "

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              • G grte@lemmy.ca

                Iran’s nuclear programme is a grave threat to international security, and Canada has been consistently clear that Iran can never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon.

                While U.S. military action taken last night was designed to alleviate that threat, the situation in the Middle East remains highly volatile. Stability in the region is a priority.

                Canada calls on parties to return immediately to the negotiating table and reach a diplomatic solution to end this crisis. As G7 leaders agreed in Kananaskis, the resolution of the Iranian crisis should lead to a broader de-escalation of hostilities in the Middle East, including a ceasefire in Gaza.

                (With apologies for the Twitter link, this post doesn’t seem to have been copied over to Bluesky.)

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                tleb@lemmy.ca
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                To me, this statement sounds like not condoning America’s actions but still walking the line as to not sabotage trade talks. This has been Carney’s MO with Trump from the start, appease just enough without bending the knee to get a deal done.

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                • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

                  Why?

                  Why is Iran’s nuclear programme such a grave threat? A grave threat, as opposed to… What exactly?

                  What makes China, Pakistan, Russia, India, or North Korea less of a threat?

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                  Caedarai
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                  #25

                  Well, Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrosit groups, arming and financing many in region to attack neighbours. You don’t see China arming terrorists in Mongolia or Vietnam to overthrow their governments, for starters. Then there is the bit where their official policy is basically to end the state of Israel. And there’s the fact that they have used terror themselves, kidnapping and extorsion to directly confront the west before, kidnap US citizens and fought wars against the western countries and allies. And both their official internal and external policies and policy goals are frankly terrifying.

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                  • G grte@lemmy.ca

                    Iran’s nuclear programme is a grave threat to international security, and Canada has been consistently clear that Iran can never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon.

                    While U.S. military action taken last night was designed to alleviate that threat, the situation in the Middle East remains highly volatile. Stability in the region is a priority.

                    Canada calls on parties to return immediately to the negotiating table and reach a diplomatic solution to end this crisis. As G7 leaders agreed in Kananaskis, the resolution of the Iranian crisis should lead to a broader de-escalation of hostilities in the Middle East, including a ceasefire in Gaza.

                    (With apologies for the Twitter link, this post doesn’t seem to have been copied over to Bluesky.)

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                    bigfishbest@lemmy.world
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                    Well they’re pretty determined to get one now!

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                    • B Caedarai

                      Well, Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrosit groups, arming and financing many in region to attack neighbours. You don’t see China arming terrorists in Mongolia or Vietnam to overthrow their governments, for starters. Then there is the bit where their official policy is basically to end the state of Israel. And there’s the fact that they have used terror themselves, kidnapping and extorsion to directly confront the west before, kidnap US citizens and fought wars against the western countries and allies. And both their official internal and external policies and policy goals are frankly terrifying.

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                      tattorack@lemmy.world
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                      #27

                      So… They’re basically the same as the US and Russia?

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                      • B Caedarai

                        Well, Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrosit groups, arming and financing many in region to attack neighbours. You don’t see China arming terrorists in Mongolia or Vietnam to overthrow their governments, for starters. Then there is the bit where their official policy is basically to end the state of Israel. And there’s the fact that they have used terror themselves, kidnapping and extorsion to directly confront the west before, kidnap US citizens and fought wars against the western countries and allies. And both their official internal and external policies and policy goals are frankly terrifying.

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                        inaminate_carbon_rod@lemmy.world
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                        As opposed to Israel’s actual genocide.

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                        • M melvin_ferd@lemmy.world

                          I totally agree trump fucked the deal. He’s an absolute narcissist. He wants to tear down anything from Democrats. He wants to put his name on everything.

                          But at the end of the day, I’m kind of rooting for him here. I’m hoping this all blows over quickly and we’re in a world where Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons is crippled

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                          inaminate_carbon_rod@lemmy.world
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                          Yeah cause the generations of Iranian children to come will just shrug and say “big Daddy America was correct to take away our stuff”

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                          • B Caedarai

                            Well, Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrosit groups, arming and financing many in region to attack neighbours. You don’t see China arming terrorists in Mongolia or Vietnam to overthrow their governments, for starters. Then there is the bit where their official policy is basically to end the state of Israel. And there’s the fact that they have used terror themselves, kidnapping and extorsion to directly confront the west before, kidnap US citizens and fought wars against the western countries and allies. And both their official internal and external policies and policy goals are frankly terrifying.

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                            hikingvet@lemmy.ca
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                            Nah, China just does oppression and genocide inside their borders. Oh and taking hostages as well.

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                            • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                              I seriously doubt its all going to blow over. No retailiation by Iran sends a signal of " bomb us anyone, we don’t fire back "

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                              melvin_ferd@lemmy.world
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                              For sure, but Iran doesn’t have many options do they? I think by blow over, I mean they’ll retaliate in the way these countries do. They will signal their attack loudly and early. USA and Israel will have time to prepare. Iran attacks. America says fuck you and does a return. Iran again does another attack with a huge signal to say look we’re retaliating. Then it’s all back to business as usual. Everybody gets to say they did something and they’re all big bad boys.

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                              • H hertzdentalbar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                Either everyone gets nukes or no one gets nukes. Iran has every right to have them. Fuck I’d rather they have em than the Zionists next door who basically run a death cult.

                                And Ill wager any “nuke” that ever goes off in North America will end up being an Israeli false flag.

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                                revan343@lemmy.ca
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                                And Ill wager any “nuke” that ever goes off in North America will end up being an Israeli false flag.

                                I’ll take that bet; I figure the first nuke to be used in anger on this side of the pond will be during the second American civil war

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                                • I inaminate_carbon_rod@lemmy.world

                                  Yeah cause the generations of Iranian children to come will just shrug and say “big Daddy America was correct to take away our stuff”

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                                  melvin_ferd@lemmy.world
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                                  #33

                                  What’s the alternative? Is that a regime who vocally says they will kill my children are allowed to get nukes?

                                  That I should be ok with that because peace and love and hugs?

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                                  • M melvin_ferd@lemmy.world

                                    What’s the alternative? Is that a regime who vocally says they will kill my children are allowed to get nukes?

                                    That I should be ok with that because peace and love and hugs?

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                                    inaminate_carbon_rod@lemmy.world
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                                    “Allowed”

                                    Sorry daddy.

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                                    • H hikingvet@lemmy.ca

                                      Nah, China just does oppression and genocide inside their borders. Oh and taking hostages as well.

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                                      Caedarai
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                                      That’s the point. From an international relations standpoint there’s no major issue with China where humans rights violations are concerned. Since the don’t arm groups outside their borders, there doesn’t need to be an international response for that because there’s no international threat. The tensions with China are mostly with respect to Taiwan and trade.

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                                      • A anachronist@midwest.social

                                        A few months ago I said maybe Canadians shouldn’t put their faith into a globalist neolib banker and got down-voted.

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                                        jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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                                        The best of 2 bad options, simple as that. There was no win in this election.

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                                        • A anachronist@midwest.social

                                          A few months ago I said maybe Canadians shouldn’t put their faith into a globalist neolib banker and got down-voted.

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                                          jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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                                          The best of 2 bad options, simple as that. There was no win in this election.

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