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Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steam's new censorship rules in victory against 'porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists', and things only get weirder from there

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  • GloomyG Gloomy

    That logic falls apart real fast. Hitting children, for example. Legal, but is it right?

    Some places have legal laws that are horrifying. You can see the other implementation of your logic there. Like, is being gay a bad thing, as long as it is illegal?

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    BlackLaZoR
    wrote on last edited by
    #154

    I have no obligation to follow your moral compass - which is nothing more than your opinion. The only common denominator binding both of us, is codified law.

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    • BlackLaZoRB BlackLaZoR

      I have no obligation to follow your moral compass - which is nothing more than your opinion. The only common denominator binding both of us, is codified law.

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      Gloomy
      wrote on last edited by
      #155

      Ah, the german approach (used mainly between 1934 and 1945) ๐Ÿ˜‰

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      • ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š C ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š 

        The inability to distinguish between selection and socialization means thereโ€™s no evidence for a causal link. At best, it suggests that people who commit sexual aggression generally like porn featuring it more, but even that is apparently a weak correlation apparently.

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        Gloomy
        wrote on last edited by gloomy@mander.xyz
        #156

        I donโ€™t disagree. It also doesnโ€™t prove your point though, so we are back to square one.

        Maybe this is of some relevance for us, i came across it in another discussion a while back.

        Itโ€™s a study that looks at CFSM (Child fantasy sexual material) and tries to determine, if it makes pedophiles more or less likley to assault children in real life.

        Unfortunately they arrive at the conclusion, that we donโ€™t have enoth studys to know yet. I would assume the same to be true for violent porn and rl sexual assault. But i am happy to be corrected, if you have the data to back it up.

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        • M Melmi

          I wouldnโ€™t mind if Valve did. Itโ€™s the unaccountable payment processors deciding morality thatโ€™s spooky, because thereโ€™s no meaningful alternative.

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          ebber@lemmings.world
          wrote on last edited by
          #157

          Oh yeah, I agree. That is what I meant to meant to say. The payment processors are acting like a cartel here.

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          • K kbobabob

            I donโ€™t know why you couldnโ€™t just load money into your steam wallet.

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            monotremata@lemmy.ca
            wrote on last edited by
            #158

            They werenโ€™t pushing for credit card processors to block payments for specific games. They were pushing for the payment processors to block money to Steam entirely, which is why Steam caved and instead removed a small list of games. It was a compromise to allow credit card companies to keep doing business with them. Overall itโ€™s pretty small potatoesโ€“a small but vocal group, a small and worthless collection of games. People are understandably worried about the precedent of giving in to censorship at the demand of a group like this, but there are enough things to worry about right now that Iโ€™m not going to give it much thought until I hear the slope has slipped further than this.

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            • ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š C ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š 

              We donโ€™t have a specific cordoned off section for meth and cocaine in our brains. Many things trigger those areas of the brain, including some pretty innocuous stuff.

              Porn isnโ€™t physically addictive like meth and cocaine. It can be psychologically addictive though, but that goes for a lot of things out there.

              Stuff like meth and cocaine can actually alter your brain, porn does not.

              Anyone can develop an unhealthy relationship with porn, but that goes for just about anything out there.

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              squid64@lemmy.ca
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              #159

              Hmm yes porn actually can alter your brain look it up.

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              • ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š C ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š 

                We donโ€™t have a specific cordoned off section for meth and cocaine in our brains. Many things trigger those areas of the brain, including some pretty innocuous stuff.

                Porn isnโ€™t physically addictive like meth and cocaine. It can be psychologically addictive though, but that goes for a lot of things out there.

                Stuff like meth and cocaine can actually alter your brain, porn does not.

                Anyone can develop an unhealthy relationship with porn, but that goes for just about anything out there.

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                squid64@lemmy.ca
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                #160

                Here I found something for you, you wonโ€™t need to search for it now. https://neurosciencenews.com/neuroscience-pornography-brain-15354/

                ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š C 1 Reply Last reply
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                • squid64@lemmy.caS squid64@lemmy.ca

                  Here I found something for you, you wonโ€™t need to search for it now. https://neurosciencenews.com/neuroscience-pornography-brain-15354/

                  ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š C This user is from outside of this forum
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                  ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š 
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #161

                  This article is overly sensationalist/alarmist and doesnโ€™t match the study behind it.

                  This is the study theyโ€™re referencing: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-328X/5/3/388

                  It primarily focuses on internet addiction and video game addiction. Pornography is mostly mentioned in passing as โ€œlikely similarโ€.

                  In it, they review evidence that these things can be addictive, and that people experience pleasure doing them (this is the whole โ€œsame-areas-as-coke-and-methโ€ thing btw; the brain is happy playing video games, and it is also happy doing coke). However, they distinctly mention that behavioral addiction is not necessarily the same as substance addiction:

                  Together with studies on Internet addiction and Internet Gaming Disorder we see strong evidence for considering addictive Internet behaviors as behavioral addiction. Future research needs to address whether or not there are specific differences between substance and behavioral addiction

                  The exact quote about areas of the brain thing:

                  Georgiadis and Kringelbach concluded, โ€œit is clear that the networks involved in human sexual behavior are remarkably similar to the networks involved in processing other rewardsโ€

                  The brain rewards sexual behaviour. Makes perfect sense from an evolutionary point of view, so not exactly a shocking conclusion.

                  And regarding the โ€œbrain-alteringโ€ thing, the study also directly mentions that this is simply what happens when the brain is activated through its reward systems. This โ€œalteringโ€ happens for everything that triggers some kind of dopamine hit. Itโ€™s not the case that porn does something special here; a model train hobby for example would do the same to enthusiasts for example.

                  I remember this study actually, Iโ€™ve seen it before. It is frequently misquoted or represented in an extremely alarmist way, mostly by people with a dislike for pornography. But the study doesnโ€™t back up their assertions that porn is anything special when compared to any other behavioral addiction, it actually expressly doesnโ€™t.

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                  • ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š C ๐™ฒ๐š‘๐šŠ๐š’๐š›๐š–๐šŠ๐š— ๐™ผ๐šŽ๐š˜๐š 

                    This article is overly sensationalist/alarmist and doesnโ€™t match the study behind it.

                    This is the study theyโ€™re referencing: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-328X/5/3/388

                    It primarily focuses on internet addiction and video game addiction. Pornography is mostly mentioned in passing as โ€œlikely similarโ€.

                    In it, they review evidence that these things can be addictive, and that people experience pleasure doing them (this is the whole โ€œsame-areas-as-coke-and-methโ€ thing btw; the brain is happy playing video games, and it is also happy doing coke). However, they distinctly mention that behavioral addiction is not necessarily the same as substance addiction:

                    Together with studies on Internet addiction and Internet Gaming Disorder we see strong evidence for considering addictive Internet behaviors as behavioral addiction. Future research needs to address whether or not there are specific differences between substance and behavioral addiction

                    The exact quote about areas of the brain thing:

                    Georgiadis and Kringelbach concluded, โ€œit is clear that the networks involved in human sexual behavior are remarkably similar to the networks involved in processing other rewardsโ€

                    The brain rewards sexual behaviour. Makes perfect sense from an evolutionary point of view, so not exactly a shocking conclusion.

                    And regarding the โ€œbrain-alteringโ€ thing, the study also directly mentions that this is simply what happens when the brain is activated through its reward systems. This โ€œalteringโ€ happens for everything that triggers some kind of dopamine hit. Itโ€™s not the case that porn does something special here; a model train hobby for example would do the same to enthusiasts for example.

                    I remember this study actually, Iโ€™ve seen it before. It is frequently misquoted or represented in an extremely alarmist way, mostly by people with a dislike for pornography. But the study doesnโ€™t back up their assertions that porn is anything special when compared to any other behavioral addiction, it actually expressly doesnโ€™t.

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                    squid64@lemmy.ca
                    wrote on last edited by squid64@lemmy.ca
                    #162

                    I mean video game addiction is real thing to and it can be pretty bad like some people play games and stay up for days and it affects them badly but video games and porn are two different things. Not even comparable. Also I donโ€™t think anyone โ€œdislikesโ€ pornography. But some recognize its harmful effects on the brain and on society so they do their best to not watch it and to quit it. They are not working hard to quit that habit for nothing.

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                      Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                      #163

                      Because you have allowed the social discourse to be dominated by authoritarians, and have not supported the voices of your fellows that fight against fascism, you are now being overrun by fascists.

                      Enjoy. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

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                      • S skisnow@lemmy.ca

                        Thereโ€™s ample evidence that a lot of recent self-identifying โ€œfeministโ€ grassroots organisations worldwide are fronts for (or sponsored by) christo-fascist organisations.

                        After gay marriage passed to widespread popular support in multiple countries, there was a whole considered and deliberate regrouping, where they identified trans rights and porn as wedge issues that they could present their bigoted view as a progressive one. Thatโ€™s why weโ€™re suddenly inundated with orgs like this one; theyโ€™re posing as feminists and progressives but theyโ€™re actually bigots trying to occupy progressive or mainstream spaces, and give shelter to bigotry in others.

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                        Angry_Autist (he/him)
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #164

                        And yet when you call them out for co-opting the feminist label, instead of being outed by actual feminists, their detractors are publicly lambasted as being anti-feminist.

                        Mission accomplished

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