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  • woelkchen@lemmy.worldW woelkchen@lemmy.world

    What? I have a 2060 and shit runs fine.

    Of course. There’s always the ones for whom everything runs fine. These are the ones who aren’t affected by bugs in power management caused by Nvidia drivers because they use desktop PCs and not laptops. These are the ones who still used X11 five years after the rest of the Linux world moved to Wayland and when Nvidia drivers got good enough for Wayland, it’s always “see, how much Nvidia’s drivers have improved a lot since the 2010s!!”

    Nvidia is lagging years behind on adopting newer technologies in the Linux graphics stack.

    Edit: These days it’s “HDR can cause game-breaking graphical artifacts”.

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    naevatherat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I didn’t say there are never any issues I said it’s fine. The idea that “success stories” are only amd is silly. 90/100 times unless you’re using bleeding edge hardware or pathologically fussy you just hit play and stuff works. 9 out of the remaining 10 times you tweak a proton version or wine setting, the other time it’s a driver bug.

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    • S sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      lol, what is this ‘Xbox Exclusive Game’ you speak of, in 2025?

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      DebatableRaccoon
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      #76

      A hypothetical one, of course

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      • P palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world

        I can’t switch because Nvidia Linux drivers suck and AMD X3D chips still have issues.

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        randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        #77

        Nvidia seems to be the biggest hurdle for most people. The simplest solution I’ve found has been universal Blue, Bazzite (specifically the Nvidia images). You don’t have to think twice about Nvidia as everything is preconfigured for you out of the gate, forever, in perpetuity.

        I’m not aware of the x3d issues you speak of.

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          swab148
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          Same here, except for my mom’s computer, because she needs a program for embroidery design that doesn’t work well on Linux despite being in the AUR. It’s called “Embrilliance”, and for some reason the cursor disappears whenever you try to draw freeform, so if anyone has any guidance on that, hit up my DMs, I’d love to solve it for her!

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            invalidname2@lemmy.zip
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            How do you know if someone owns a Steam Deck? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

            So anyway, a couple years ago I bought a Steam Deck. And since I bought it, virtually all of my gaming is on the Deck. Prior to that, virtually all of my game time was on a Windows PC. So, for me personally, there’s been a big shift towards Linux for gaming.

            The other big change that’s coming for a lot of people I know: end of Windows 10 support. Honestly, the majority of people I know who still have a traditional Windows PC are using machines that can’t be upgraded to Windows 11. These computers are perfectly functional and do everything the users need them to do, and they have no inclination to go out and buy a new computer just because. Especially in this economy. Additionally, there are quite a few people with computers that are capable of running Windows 11, but they have no desire to upgrade to a worse experience and an experience that is randomly different in a myriad different ways for no good reason. Both groups are ripe for the picking in terms of a switch to Linux. No, the year of the Linux desktop is not here, but the conditions for such a change are building. And this Steam data may present a picture of the larger trend. Who knows?

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            • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

              Anyone know if CP2077 runs better on Linux than Windows?

              By much? With HDR?

              Sorry for the drive by comment, but this is like the one game my 3090 can’t quite handle to my satisfaction. I’ve thoroughly disabled the thing from rendering in Linux and don’t want to undo all that… But if I could get like another 10% over Windows, that would be incredible. Even 5% would be awesome.

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              lucidnightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Hey there! Recently downloaded Cyberpunk again to test my graphics card out.

              openSUSE Tumbleweed, a 144hz 1080p ultrawide monitor (21:9), i9-10850K, nvidia 5080, raytracing and all settings on ultra, no DLSS fake frames only DLAA

              I was getting from 75-120 (120 could be lower or higher as I can’t get to my computer right now) depending on what was on screen. In the city with lots of neon and ads going while driving around? 75-80 fps

              Inside a building or not near any of the reflective causing lights? 90-120

              I’m pretty sure my CPU is bottlenecking me for the most part, but it has never sweated on anything I threw at it, so didn’t see the need to upgrade just yet.

              Hopefully that helps you out a little! I’ve got a lot of games I can report back on too, if needed! 🙂

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              • naevatherat@lemmy.dbzer0.comN naevatherat@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                I didn’t say there are never any issues I said it’s fine. The idea that “success stories” are only amd is silly. 90/100 times unless you’re using bleeding edge hardware or pathologically fussy you just hit play and stuff works. 9 out of the remaining 10 times you tweak a proton version or wine setting, the other time it’s a driver bug.

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                woelkchen@lemmy.world
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                The idea that “success stories” are only amd is silly.

                Luckily I didn’t write that.

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                • L lucidnightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  Hey there! Recently downloaded Cyberpunk again to test my graphics card out.

                  openSUSE Tumbleweed, a 144hz 1080p ultrawide monitor (21:9), i9-10850K, nvidia 5080, raytracing and all settings on ultra, no DLSS fake frames only DLAA

                  I was getting from 75-120 (120 could be lower or higher as I can’t get to my computer right now) depending on what was on screen. In the city with lots of neon and ads going while driving around? 75-80 fps

                  Inside a building or not near any of the reflective causing lights? 90-120

                  I’m pretty sure my CPU is bottlenecking me for the most part, but it has never sweated on anything I threw at it, so didn’t see the need to upgrade just yet.

                  Hopefully that helps you out a little! I’ve got a lot of games I can report back on too, if needed! 🙂

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                  brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                  #82

                  Thanks! Though it doesn’t mean much without a windows reference 😛

                  I’m pushing my poor 3090 to 4K with just RT reflections but a bunch of mods, and I’m generally getting over 60 with no framegen (which is my target).

                  FYI I found the game actually looks better with most of the RT disabled:

                  • RT shadows tend to be blocky and flicker, while raster shadows “miss” more shadows but are razor sharp and stable.

                  • RT lighting is neat for, say, reflecting a neon billboard, but I find it often clashes with built in raster lighting. For instance, it turns neon signs into blobs and messed up the Arasaka atrium in the intro.

                  • RT reflections look incredible, especially in rain. No downside as far as I can tell.

                  • Path tracing is a whole different ballgame my card can’t handle. But (when modded to fix it) it’s apparently extra incredible, and basically disables all the other in game settings.

                  Check out the digital foundry video too, which shows some of this

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                  • Lvxferre [he/him]L Lvxferre [he/him]

                    Microsoft is already responding to the potential shift. The upcoming ROG Xbox Ally X handheld from Microsoft and ASUS will reportedly ship with a gaming-optimized version of Windows 11 with a dedicated Xbox UI and interface that aims to streamline the experience while boosting in-game performance and overall handheld efficiency.

                    Given how much Microsoft wants to shove AI tools every where in Windows, I don’t think this optimisation will make much of a difference.

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                    woelkchen@lemmy.world
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                    #83

                    Given how much Microsoft wants to shove AI tools every where in Windows, I don’t think this optimisation will make much of a difference.

                    AMD’s own Windows drivers also perform much worse in low power situations than the open source Linux drivers, whereas Windows game mode (or whatever it’ll be called) is about reducing background tasks that consume RAM. Obviously reducing RAM consumption is beneficial but it’s not the whole story.

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                    • P palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world

                      I can’t switch because Nvidia Linux drivers suck and AMD X3D chips still have issues.

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                      vagullion@lemmy.world
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                      I’m on Bazzite for almost a year now and I didn’t have a single issue with my 5800X3D.

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                      • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

                        I already dual boot CachyOS! In fact I spent a lot of time tweaking schedulers, power, undervolting the GPU and such for compute performance, but I think it’s well tuned for gaming too.

                        It’s just annoying because I beat the GPU into submission with tons of settings (as Nvidia is funny with Wayland), so its display out is totally disabled. It’s a lot to undo.

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                        monotremata@lemmy.ca
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                        See, that makes it sound to me like you could probably come up with a setup that would do what you want, but that doing so would probably mean making it worse at some of the other things you currently use it for.

                        Which is where using an external drive for a third installation might be easier. Or at least easier to dispose of if you get sick of the project. But I am perhaps unusually lazy in that regard.

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                        • P palmtreeisbesttree@lemmy.world

                          I can’t switch because Nvidia Linux drivers suck and AMD X3D chips still have issues.

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                          Don’t know about the X3D chips, but my 3070 TI is running flawlessly under Nobara (a Fedora flavor) - a few months ago there has been a huge boost in stability with the support of explicit sync.

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                            See, that makes it sound to me like you could probably come up with a setup that would do what you want, but that doing so would probably mean making it worse at some of the other things you currently use it for.

                            Which is where using an external drive for a third installation might be easier. Or at least easier to dispose of if you get sick of the project. But I am perhaps unusually lazy in that regard.

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                            brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                            You raise an excellent point.

                            TBH I am both lazy, and a bit paranoid/afraid of dealing with Nvidia rendering issues (even if using my IGP for desktop work), but it would probably be fine and I’m… just being lazy and paranoid.

                            I don’t think it would make it worse for compute work.

                            An external 3rd partition does sound appealing, though one quirk is that CP2077 does really like SSDs. I have a slow external SSD, but it still might muddy an A/B test.

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                            • swab148S swab148

                              Same here, except for my mom’s computer, because she needs a program for embroidery design that doesn’t work well on Linux despite being in the AUR. It’s called “Embrilliance”, and for some reason the cursor disappears whenever you try to draw freeform, so if anyone has any guidance on that, hit up my DMs, I’d love to solve it for her!

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                              sunzu2
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                              Sometimes switching DEs resolves these glitches for me.

                              But not sure if that’s a solution more like well around and that’s no good for non nerds

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                              • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

                                Thanks! Though it doesn’t mean much without a windows reference 😛

                                I’m pushing my poor 3090 to 4K with just RT reflections but a bunch of mods, and I’m generally getting over 60 with no framegen (which is my target).

                                FYI I found the game actually looks better with most of the RT disabled:

                                • RT shadows tend to be blocky and flicker, while raster shadows “miss” more shadows but are razor sharp and stable.

                                • RT lighting is neat for, say, reflecting a neon billboard, but I find it often clashes with built in raster lighting. For instance, it turns neon signs into blobs and messed up the Arasaka atrium in the intro.

                                • RT reflections look incredible, especially in rain. No downside as far as I can tell.

                                • Path tracing is a whole different ballgame my card can’t handle. But (when modded to fix it) it’s apparently extra incredible, and basically disables all the other in game settings.

                                Check out the digital foundry video too, which shows some of this

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                                lucidnightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                Good point about the Windows reference!

                                I will boot into Windows when I can and see the performance there I’ll report back after I run around the city and outside the city for a little bit!

                                I am curious to try out NexusMods Linux compatibility with their new modding app, so I haven’t gotten to mod the game yet. I wasn’t going to play through it again (4th playthrough lol) just yet.

                                I just remember in the “cutscenes” like driving with Panam or Takamura, the RT looking better than the baked lighting. My 2080ti on Windows wasn’t able to handle that all the time (less than 60 with medium RT, no DLSS) but the way the “cutscenes” looked was just so much better with RT on that as soon as they started, I’d turn it on. 😮

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                                  I could try it in another DE on my machine to see if that helps first. Maybe Cinnamon or XFCE would be good enough for her needs, I’d set her up with Plasma previously, which she liked but it’s a no-go without Embrilliance. If nothing else, it’s just one air-gapped Windows PC in the house, ultimately it doesn’t matter too much.

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                                  • B brucethemoose@lemmy.world

                                    You raise an excellent point.

                                    TBH I am both lazy, and a bit paranoid/afraid of dealing with Nvidia rendering issues (even if using my IGP for desktop work), but it would probably be fine and I’m… just being lazy and paranoid.

                                    I don’t think it would make it worse for compute work.

                                    An external 3rd partition does sound appealing, though one quirk is that CP2077 does really like SSDs. I have a slow external SSD, but it still might muddy an A/B test.

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                                    BombOmOm
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                                    If you have a desktop, these work great for swapping SSDs out. Get a pair and swap them out whenever you need/want to. You just need a spare x4 (or larger) PCI-e slot, which is pretty common to have. (Technically they work fine with a x1 slot, but then you are slowing the SSD down.)

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                                    • L lucidnightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      Good point about the Windows reference!

                                      I will boot into Windows when I can and see the performance there I’ll report back after I run around the city and outside the city for a little bit!

                                      I am curious to try out NexusMods Linux compatibility with their new modding app, so I haven’t gotten to mod the game yet. I wasn’t going to play through it again (4th playthrough lol) just yet.

                                      I just remember in the “cutscenes” like driving with Panam or Takamura, the RT looking better than the baked lighting. My 2080ti on Windows wasn’t able to handle that all the time (less than 60 with medium RT, no DLSS) but the way the “cutscenes” looked was just so much better with RT on that as soon as they started, I’d turn it on. 😮

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                                      brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                                      Its RT reflections are doing most of the lifting driving around, I think, but they only take like 1/3 the FPS, while RT lighting and shadows are more subtle.

                                      The settings may have been different in the past, can’t remember… I was playing on a laptop 2060, heh.

                                      Thanks! I am curious, though I am glad to hear RT and such works well on Linux.

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                                      • swab148S swab148

                                        I could try it in another DE on my machine to see if that helps first. Maybe Cinnamon or XFCE would be good enough for her needs, I’d set her up with Plasma previously, which she liked but it’s a no-go without Embrilliance. If nothing else, it’s just one air-gapped Windows PC in the house, ultimately it doesn’t matter too much.

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                                        BombOmOm
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                                        This is a great use-case for a live Linux environment. Throw one onto a drive and see if it works well, and if not, just restart and go back to what you have.

                                        But, like you said, not a big deal either way.

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                                        • BombOmOmB BombOmOm

                                          If you have a desktop, these work great for swapping SSDs out. Get a pair and swap them out whenever you need/want to. You just need a spare x4 (or larger) PCI-e slot, which is pretty common to have. (Technically they work fine with a x1 slot, but then you are slowing the SSD down.)

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                                          brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                                          I’ve got an ITX mini PC with both nvme and the graphics slot filled, heh.

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