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The hidden mental health danger in today’s high-THC cannabis

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  • medgremlin@midwest.socialM medgremlin@midwest.social

    Schizophrenia is a mental health disorder that can be triggered by psychoactive substances, trauma, or other significant events/life changes. Not everyone who has schizophrenia was guaranteed to get it, it’s just that some people have the potential for it. A psychotic episode (whether substance-induced or organic) is a common trigger to cause schizophrenia in someone that had the potential to develop the disorder.

    If you have a family history of mental illnesses (particularly Schizophrenia and Bipolar disorder), significant THC use and substance-induced psychotic episodes can be the grain that tips the scale towards developing the disorder that may have otherwise been avoided.

    (TL;DR: if Schizophrenia runs in your family, be exceedingly careful about what psychoactive substances you use.)

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    console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)
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    Someone has to be the first so your descendants can say it runs in the family.

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    • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

      The “but alcohol is worse and its legal” crowd really rustles my jimmies in a bad way. I propose any reader to go trough every comment and post the best arguments for this being “fearmongering propaganda” under this reply.

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      killer57@lemmy.ca
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      #49

      Man it almost like there is a known correlation between alcohol and violence or something.

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      • H honytawk@feddit.nl

        I mean, outliers always exist. Don’t think those are the norm.

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        LustyArgonian
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        By definition of what a norm is, no, an outlier wouldn’t be the norm. But who’s to say Willie’s physical reaction to cannabis is an outlier?

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        • F fenderstratocaster@lemmy.world

          I did. That shit was wild. Didn’t get too much anxiety though. Weird shit started to happen.

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          LustyArgonian
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          It usually induces terror (adrenaline/cortisol) depending on how much you do

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          • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

            Someone has to be the first so your descendants can say it runs in the family.

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            medgremlin@midwest.social
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            Given that, as a species, we have only just recently figured out how to diagnose any of these things, it is highly unlikely that these conditions are nowhere in your family lineage. There is always the possibility of de novo mutations that can shake things up, but people with schizophrenia used to just be called generically insane…or they were prophets or cult leaders if they rolled high on Charisma.

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            • K kibiz0r@midwest.social

              Yall are sayin stuff like “learn about” and “detect” as if they got to just add that to their notes and continue on their day.

              Going from “might develop schizophrenia some day” to “inpatient for an episode right now” is a big difference.

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              ushmel
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              Every time you experience psychosis, it increases your chance of experiencing it again, independent of your previous risk. Each episode makes it more likely. Unfortunately drug induced can make it worse.

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              • killer57@lemmy.caK killer57@lemmy.ca

                Man it almost like there is a known correlation between alcohol and violence or something.

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                console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)
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                #54

                Yeah there is sociatal harm and personal harm. Both alcohol and THC can be damaging in their own ways. Your point?

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                • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

                  Yeah there is sociatal harm and personal harm. Both alcohol and THC can be damaging in their own ways. Your point?

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                  killer57@lemmy.ca
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                  Show me the studies proving that THC is even remotely close to as bad as alcohol for you, THC sure as shit isn’t going to kill your liver either!

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                  • killer57@lemmy.caK killer57@lemmy.ca

                    Show me the studies proving that THC is even remotely close to as bad as alcohol for you, THC sure as shit isn’t going to kill your liver either!

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                    console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)
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                    You’d have differ between public harm and self harm. Also you miss the point, both can be bad in different ways. The links of THC use under 25 leading to psychosis and trigger/cause early onset of schizophrenia are more than established. I won’t choose between liver cirrhosis and mental health problems because both ruin your life. You don’t need organ failure rot in a clinic or become homeless with schizophrenia and off yourself. I’ve seen both substances ruin lives and my country of residence has infinitely better, and free, mental health care.

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                    • F fenderstratocaster@lemmy.world

                      Sugar? What? I was talking about high dosages. Ever been so high you thought your heart was going to explode? That shit was terrifying.

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                      zexks@lemmy.world
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                      #57

                      On sugar yes. Some people have even died from having too much sugar. Name one person who died from over dosing on thc.

                      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/baby-died-of-glucose-overdose-inquest-told-1812014.html

                      Lots of things can terrify you. Not all of them will kill you though.

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                      • F fenderstratocaster@lemmy.world

                        After 2 separate people started talking about sugar. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills

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                        zexks@lemmy.world
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                        Consideribg your stated beliefs here. You sound as though you already are.

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                        • B console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)

                          You’d have differ between public harm and self harm. Also you miss the point, both can be bad in different ways. The links of THC use under 25 leading to psychosis and trigger/cause early onset of schizophrenia are more than established. I won’t choose between liver cirrhosis and mental health problems because both ruin your life. You don’t need organ failure rot in a clinic or become homeless with schizophrenia and off yourself. I’ve seen both substances ruin lives and my country of residence has infinitely better, and free, mental health care.

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                          killer57@lemmy.ca
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                          Please let me be as transparent as possible about this, I am a bud tender working in Canada, I sell legal cannabis to people right beside a liquor store. Cannabis has been legal up here for coming up on 10 years, and yet, I still haven’t seen any proof of what you are trying to say. So at the end of the day, please let the people who haven’t been allowed to research cannabis usage under prohibition research and report their findings.

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                          • Z zexks@lemmy.world

                            Consideribg your stated beliefs here. You sound as though you already are.

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                            fenderstratocaster@lemmy.world
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                            What are my stated beliefs? That too much THC makes you paranoid? Is that crazy?

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                            • Z zexks@lemmy.world

                              On sugar yes. Some people have even died from having too much sugar. Name one person who died from over dosing on thc.

                              https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/baby-died-of-glucose-overdose-inquest-told-1812014.html

                              Lots of things can terrify you. Not all of them will kill you though.

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                              fenderstratocaster@lemmy.world
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                              I’m not talking about sugar anymore. Go away.

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                              • killer57@lemmy.caK killer57@lemmy.ca

                                Please let me be as transparent as possible about this, I am a bud tender working in Canada, I sell legal cannabis to people right beside a liquor store. Cannabis has been legal up here for coming up on 10 years, and yet, I still haven’t seen any proof of what you are trying to say. So at the end of the day, please let the people who haven’t been allowed to research cannabis usage under prohibition research and report their findings.

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                                console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)
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                                I don’t think people with schizophrenia will still be visiting your store. I am pro legalisation of cannabis, but the possible consequences should not be dismissed as propaganda.

                                For example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30373388/ (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6591882/)

                                Now I agree that you could assert, in the case of depression and anxiety, these results could mean someone is self-medicating for said mental problems, thus clouding the objectivity. But that is not the case with psychosis. Not at all. That is entirely correlated to cannabis (and my personal research concludes this has to do with an increase trend of higher THC contents of strain in the past 30 years. A joint in 1995 is a hell of a lot different experience compared to today’s strains [yes I know there are strains focussing on CBD or other cannabinoids like CBG etc. But let’s not compare apples and oranges. Take a strain from 1995 and today, picked with the sole reason of getting high, and today’s strains will have a lot higher THC contents])

                                Normally I dislike editorial pieces but this one refers to solid papers: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-link-between-cannabis-and-psychosis-in-teens-is-real/

                                I don’t think anyone in cluster A or B (some specific diagnoses of cluster C maybe) should be near drugs. And especially THC, because of its image (its just weed, it doesn’t cause any harm). A lot of people self-medicate. I don’t want to create an illusion of there not being any precautions needed. People who use shouldn’t Russian roulette and find out if they are on cluster a or b, very likely increase early onset of symptoms or maybe even trigger something as permanent as schizophrenia. Even a single psychosis with no follow up episodes can fuck your life up good.

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