Sounds like a bitch problem
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Just a general hint and tip from a DM who is tired of this shit.
Try being a better DM that doesn’t unnecessarily put their players into unsatisfying situations where they have to play against themselves. Make the thing their characters learn actually be something the player has to learn, instead of scolding them and calling them “bitches” when they don’t jump through your hoops.
Damn you really think that only your vision is the acceptable one. To the point where your “argument” devolves into insulting those that don’t see it like you do.
Stop it. Get some help.
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In my experience, knowledge checks are for “My character has a high int stat and I can’t be bothered to think about this puzzle, solve it for me”.
Ah. We tend to give players a DC to beat (usually 10+HD), with success giving you the description blurb in the MM and the accurate answer to one question (typically: vulnerability, best/worst save, special ability). Extra questions for every 5 above the DC.
So a Wizard or Bard or equivalent typically knows that trolls are weak against fire and illithids eat your brains. A low skill/int character will struggle to recall anything useful.
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Those are both great examples of why a character might try to throw anti-troll paste (tar) at trolls.
::: spoiler spoiler A red cape doesn’t mean anything different than a black cape to a bull, and sucking venom from a snakebite isn’t a thing outside of movies. It won’t hurt, but it won’t do much good either. One myth that will cause damage is putting ice on a pit viper bite though, so remember to avoid doing that. :::
Huh, TIL on the snakebite thing. I was pulling that from an old boy scout manual, just remember something about cutting the wound site first.
The red of the cape setting off a bull is a myth, sure; but you still don’t want to wave any capes around in front of a pissed off bull! I’ll stand by how I phrased that claim
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Funny that you use those examples, since they’re both wrong. If anything, we should be running at the trolls with stinky socks because someone wanted to sound smart at a bar once and made up a factoid that spread like wildfire among the common folk.
The red is done for dramatic effect in rodeos; it’s movement they react to. Especially if they’re feeling agitated, as in a rodeo.
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The red is done for dramatic effect in rodeos; it’s movement they react to. Especially if they’re feeling agitated, as in a rodeo.
Yeah, after they stick them with banderillas to scare and anger them into aggression. Without all the prep work to weaken and anger the bull, the cape wouldn’t provoke it at all.
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if your headed to a place called troll canyon you should probably do some research on what trolls are weak to beforehand
“Don’t worry, it’s just a name!”
Gets attacked by trolls.
“I thought it was just a name!”
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I feel like trolls are common enough that even a farmer would know they don’t like fire or acid. And yet, some DMs will make you roll a dungeoneering or other knowledge check to see if your adventurer knows.
Trolls are only common if they’re made common, though. Like, they’re common in the Forgotten Realms, or Golarion, or whatever, but commonality is out the window in a homebrew setting.
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I never said it wasn’t derogatory, and yes actually, acknowledging that different ways to play the game are fine does absolutely make it okay. “Tell me ahead of time and I won’t play at your table”
“You won’t catch me doing that” ya bro they want to play the game the way they have fun and not force themselves to play it a way they don’t enjoy for the benefit of others. And instead of letting that be, you have to whine and okay the victim.
Are you the original commenter’s PR agent or something? The original comment is literally whining and playing the victim…
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So just to recap. You posted a giant message saying your problems, I posted one of about the same length giving a rebuttal and you dismissed it all out of hand and gave a single line response?
Good luck on ever getting me to read one of your comments again.
ok, I was being unfair with my single line response. I’ll go back, re read it, and actually give a proper response.
I’ve come to the conclusion that you and I look for very different things in a tabletop rpg. Something of a spectrum, if you will, on one end is maximally role-play and on the other end is maximally game. Everyone’s preference is going to be at some point between those two extremes. You lean more towards the roleplay, I lean more towards game. We would not have a good time if we were at the same table, and despite my enjoyment of making fun of playstyles other than my preferred, your table has every right to exist and do things how you want to and my opinion doesn’t matter to that.
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Are you the original commenter’s PR agent or something? The original comment is literally whining and playing the victim…
I wish I had a pr agent, I’d get in way less trouble with the internet police.
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No, the conversation did not start out with you being effectively called a bitch. A meme was posted that you decided to take incredibly seriously and incredibly personally. But you are 100% being an ass.
I think I may have responded to the wrong comment with that one, as someone was misrepresenting something I said and my intent was to point out how misrepresenting a statement is bad by misrepresenting another statement. I’m honestly having a hard time finding the comment that I intended to respond to.
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“Don’t worry, it’s just a name!”
Gets attacked by trolls.
“I thought it was just a name!”
Troll canyon is actually a ravine
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I really don’t know what is so hard to understand about this. You are playing a role-playing game. Part of the role-playing game is that you are playing a role due to, you know, it being role-playing game. One of those roles is that you are an inexperienced adventurer. The expectation is that you as an inexperienced adventurer would not know the detail of a monster that an experienced adventurer would know.
No one is saying you cannot use fire. Everyone is saying you cannot prepare only fire spells when going to this area because that would be you having information to knowledge that your character does not have. But do you want to know what every single DM would reward? You go into a library to look up trolls. If you know that they’re supposed to be trolls in a specific area because it’s called troll canyon, do some research. I guarantee you that the DM will actually reward you.
What you want is a reward given for no effort. You want to say that your character has the information because you as a player have the information, but again, this is a role-playing game and you are playing a role that doesn’t have the information that your player has. The limitations on you being an inexperienced character and not having access to that information is something that you should probably ask the DM at the start, but it also does mean that you’re going to be limiting pretty severely the role-playing aspect of the role-playing game. If you would like to have your cake and eat it too, then I highly recommend trying to do something in the game that would actually demonstrate that your character is trying to learn something about the various creatures, so that way you could not only get vulnerabilities from that, but also be rewarded in general and look like a team player trying to help out everybody by getting the information across to everyone instead of just assuming that they are allowed to have the thing themselves Just a general hint and tip from a DM who is tired of this shit.
If you don’t want the players to know the cliché weakness so badly, why don’t you make up another monster instead of troll? Just sidestep the whole problem. It’s not Troll Canyon. It’s Grall Canyon. What the fuck are Gralls? No idea but they sound nasty.
Because clearly, some players are going to balk at “you want us to forget this well known fantasy cliché?”. And it doesn’t matter if you think their playstyle is stupid. It’s a game. People are trying to have fun.
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In my experience, knowledge checks are for “My character has a high int stat and I can’t be bothered to think about this puzzle, solve it for me”.
Personally, I generally dislike puzzles in RPGs. My character has 20 intelligence. In real life I’m rocking at best 12. I am not going to make the intuitive leaps to solve this cipher like my character would. You’re not asking the fighter to demonstrate a shield bash or the rogue to pick a lock.
Riddles and puzzles aren’t nearly as interesting as explained choices, anyway. Do you take the Sword of Rivers from the tomb, fighting the guardian and potentially causing drought and famine in the region? You’ve been told it’s the only thing that can stop the Fire Elemental Incursion back home. Much more interesting than trying to figure out what a poem means or a sliding block puzzle, to me.
