Girl Filmed "Consent Video" After "Doing The Whole Hockey Team" Leads To SA Case Acquitted - YouTube
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What’s wrong with exploring the details of a high profile case involving Hockey players sexually assaulting a woman? I think the videos are well researched, and together form up 3 hours of well thought out detail.
I point out that this is a deep dive into the issue, and you roll up with a BBC article that probably takes 5 minutes to read.
Also, I watched the videos, and there’s discussion about how badly the case was handled from all fronts; and, there’s treatment on how netizens have some consensus that there was very little likelihood that the charges would result in convictions because of how the laws are.
I won’t go over all the highlights. A few points raised for me were:
Criminal law standards vs morality standards - I felt that the video also distinguished the issue of the court’s formal finding of guilt or innocence based on a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. They even went over the moral issues that arose when exploring the culture of sexism in the Hockey players online “bible”, consent, and even the pinch points on evidence that were in favour of either the Hockey players and the complainant.
What’s society comfortable with issues of team sports and toxic behaviour? We’re being reminded about the ugly side of Hockey culture and whether we want these players to be flaunting their wealth and power around in this way. Or should they pay a price? Who should trust these roving packs of guys, travelling from town to town, grabbing at booze and women, then rushing home to their well compensated handlers at the first sign of trouble?
What credibility does Hockey Canada have? An organization that’s supposed to be hand holding these guys, and upholding some semblance of a honour/conduct system? There’s clips of the players making alleged statements to Hockey Canada for conduct over the allegations of sexual assault, and their statements are not even consistent with what ends up out during the criminal proceedings.
its a tricky case just on that consent video alone. part of me says she consented, another part of me says she was forced to do it. and i do take into account of hockeys history of things around a topic such as this. Personally, if i was given a gun to my head to choose, id say she was pressured into doing the consent video.
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Breaking news: you can give someone a blowjob and also not want to have sex with them.
i think the words both you and @LoveCanada@lemmy.ca are both looking for is intercourse
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So you’re commenting on something you didn’t watch?
Yes, engaging in any sexual act is not implied consent for every sexual act. In what world is it hard to ask if someone wants something? They’re like, right there. Source: I’m a slut.
agree 100%. you can’t assume your partner unless consented beforehand is saying yes = do whatever you want (again, unless they specifically say that).
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Yeah 2 hours of a full length feature movie with really good actors might hold my attention but two hours of a random youtuber, highly unlikely.
As for consent, sorry, Im used to being a loving committed relationship, not one night stands with strangers while cheating on my fiance after picking up someone in a bar. I know what my wife likes and doesnt like and once the train leaves the station, we’re not pausing to get ‘informed consent’ about every little change up. But you do you. Or someone else. Whichever
so wait, when you had sex with your wife for the first time, did you just start having sex with her without her saying she wanted it?
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It took me too long to figure out she was saying ‘SA-ing’ and not ‘essay-ing.’ I thought it was new Gen Z slang.
yeah SA is kinda new and a way to keep videos flagged for inappropriate content. Honestly i know its annoying but they have to cover themselves so the video doesn’t get flagged.
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I’m regrettably not surprised, just very disappointed.
when i heard the news come out from the acquittal, i was not happy with the outcome. I feel like it required further investigation and judicial action.
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so wait, when you had sex with your wife for the first time, did you just start having sex with her without her saying she wanted it?
You want me to discuss the intimate details of my sex life on Lemmy? LOL. Want nudes too?
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You want me to discuss the intimate details of my sex life on Lemmy? LOL. Want nudes too?
don’t pull up and talk about consent when you won’t even tell someone if you even believe in consent in the first place.
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don’t pull up and talk about consent when you won’t even tell someone if you even believe in consent in the first place.
Of course I dont believe in consent. Its a mans world. We take what we want when we want it. That’s the way its supposed to be. /s
C’mon man, its not your first day on the internet nor mine. You know and I know exactly where that kind of personal question leads and Im not that dumb.
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You want me to discuss the intimate details of my sex life on Lemmy? LOL. Want nudes too?
You got a whole paragraph talking about fucking your wife and now you’re shy? Why did you even bring it up in the first place then I don’t get it.
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i think the words both you and @LoveCanada@lemmy.ca are both looking for is intercourse
No I meant sex. Intercourse is sex. Blowjobs are sex.
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No I meant sex. Intercourse is sex. Blowjobs are sex.
no, a blowjob is not the same as intercourse. don’t even try to make it the same
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You got a whole paragraph talking about fucking your wife and now you’re shy? Why did you even bring it up in the first place then I don’t get it.
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no, a blowjob is not the same as intercourse. don’t even try to make it the same
Are you trying to say that a blowjob is NOT sex?
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This is Lemmy, not my doctor’s office.
Exactly, so next time maybe don’t bring up how you like to fuck your wife out of the blue.
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Yeah 2 hours of a full length feature movie with really good actors might hold my attention but two hours of a random youtuber, highly unlikely.
As for consent, sorry, Im used to being a loving committed relationship, not one night stands with strangers while cheating on my fiance after picking up someone in a bar. I know what my wife likes and doesnt like and once the train leaves the station, we’re not pausing to get ‘informed consent’ about every little change up. But you do you. Or someone else. Whichever
Okay… but like you get the whole thing where you can’t really have an informed opinion on something you didn’t watch, right? You don’t have to comment on things you don’t want to watch or read.
I’m happy for you and your wife! Super weird projecting though, where you equate promiscuity with cheating and short term relationships. I do enjoy short term sexual relationships on occasion, so I like to make sure I’m doing the things my partners want done. After all, you never know someone’s past or preferences.
No one ever said anything about getting consent to change positions and certainly not in a long term, committed relationship. They said consenting to a blowjob didn’t imply consent to other sexual acts. In fact, it’s in the criminal code. That’s probably why the prosecutor brought it up:
Sections 276 to 276.5 of the Criminal Code govern the admission of evidence regarding a sexual assault complainant’s other sexual activity. The Code makes it clear that evidence that a complainant has engaged in sexual activity is not admissible to suggest that the victim was more likely to have consented to the sexual activity which is the subject matter of the charge or that he/she is less worthy of belief.
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Bigger breaking news: Giving someone a blowjob IS having sex with them. Whoosh.
I just gave this guy a blowjob and he stuck it in my ass after. I guess it’s all just sex, right? It’s all the same hole in the end.
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Of course I dont believe in consent. Its a mans world. We take what we want when we want it. That’s the way its supposed to be. /s
C’mon man, its not your first day on the internet nor mine. You know and I know exactly where that kind of personal question leads and Im not that dumb.
listen, believe what you want to believe ya? When someone asks for consent, first learn what consent means and why it’s important.
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Are you trying to say that a blowjob is NOT sex?
let me ask you this, do you think, if someone consents to a blowjob, that means they also consent to penetration?
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I’m I wrong or is it odd she did a consent video after the fact surrounded by a bunch of guys. Like they doesn’t seem like pressure to anyone else.
Maybe but like that there is no way to do anything like this anymore.
This may come as a shock to some people but many women enjoy sex, many women enjoy gangbangs, and a women making a consent nvidronfor a gangbang is something I’ve never heard of before and FFS, shouldn’t be necessary.
But she did anyway and the result on the Internet is: weeeeellll, I think she was forced anyways!
So now what? Do we need a notarized confession of consent before we can have sex?
I get the problem, but I also get that we remove any natural normal human interactions with this.
