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  • S supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    Are there “evil people” though? What makes someone evil? And what purpose does violence serve - does jail do justice for victims, protect our communities, or reduce the chances of reoffending? It turns out that the answer is no, it doesn’t. A kinder approach also happens to be a more effective approach.

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    dindonmasker
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    Are there exceptions? I can see that being true for most people but you know some are just passed that point and rehabilitation might not be an option.

    I’m personally not for evil treatments btw it was more a joke then anything but i can see why some could make a point for that being a correct option.

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    • dindonmaskerD dindonmasker

      Are there exceptions? I can see that being true for most people but you know some are just passed that point and rehabilitation might not be an option.

      I’m personally not for evil treatments btw it was more a joke then anything but i can see why some could make a point for that being a correct option.

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      supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      #9

      If someone is literally a danger to society, sure. But (especially in the US) the jails are absolutely crammed full with people that, by and large, only committed nonviolent crimes.

      And even for things classified as “violent crimes” - a lot of it is overblown or committed by people who would otherwise not be violent but were pushed to the brink by a brutal, uncaring society.

      Incarceration should really be an absolute last resort reserved only for the worst of the worst, but instead we fill beds like we’re meeting a quota because it funnels taxpayer dollars into rich people’s pockets. (And that’s not just the US, either, although we’re certainly one of the worst ones for it.)

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      • S supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

        Are there “evil people” though? What makes someone evil? And what purpose does violence serve - does jail do justice for victims, protect our communities, or reduce the chances of reoffending? It turns out that the answer is no, it doesn’t. A kinder approach also happens to be a more effective approach.

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        susaga@sh.itjust.works
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        #10

        Honestly? Yes. There are evil people. Child abusers, Nazis, rapists, people who scam the needy… On a fundamental level, they don’t care if others get hurt, and might actively enjoy their suffering. That’s evil.

        For these sickos, the only reason they don’t do it more often is because something bad might happen to them personally (prison). And if they still do it anyway, then letting them go around without consequence is just enabling them to do it again.

        I agree prisons don’t do enough to rehabilitate inmates, are used to punish too many who don’t deserve it, and often has way too much abuse. I disagree that the concept of prison is evil.

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        • S supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          Are there “evil people” though? What makes someone evil? And what purpose does violence serve - does jail do justice for victims, protect our communities, or reduce the chances of reoffending? It turns out that the answer is no, it doesn’t. A kinder approach also happens to be a more effective approach.

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          mesophar@pawb.social
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          In TTRPGs? Depending on the system, yes, there are.

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          • S supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

            If someone is literally a danger to society, sure. But (especially in the US) the jails are absolutely crammed full with people that, by and large, only committed nonviolent crimes.

            And even for things classified as “violent crimes” - a lot of it is overblown or committed by people who would otherwise not be violent but were pushed to the brink by a brutal, uncaring society.

            Incarceration should really be an absolute last resort reserved only for the worst of the worst, but instead we fill beds like we’re meeting a quota because it funnels taxpayer dollars into rich people’s pockets. (And that’s not just the US, either, although we’re certainly one of the worst ones for it.)

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            wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Sir, this is a Wendy’s meme community for tabletop RPGs, the most popular of which has explicit good/evil alignment as a game mechanic.

            You’re not wrong, but this is a weird place for the soapbox.

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            • susaga@sh.itjust.worksS susaga@sh.itjust.works

              Honestly? Yes. There are evil people. Child abusers, Nazis, rapists, people who scam the needy… On a fundamental level, they don’t care if others get hurt, and might actively enjoy their suffering. That’s evil.

              For these sickos, the only reason they don’t do it more often is because something bad might happen to them personally (prison). And if they still do it anyway, then letting them go around without consequence is just enabling them to do it again.

              I agree prisons don’t do enough to rehabilitate inmates, are used to punish too many who don’t deserve it, and often has way too much abuse. I disagree that the concept of prison is evil.

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              phase@lemmy.8th.world
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              #13

              But then who would take a Nazi in their group? Even looking through a fork it feels already so…

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              • W wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                Sir, this is a Wendy’s meme community for tabletop RPGs, the most popular of which has explicit good/evil alignment as a game mechanic.

                You’re not wrong, but this is a weird place for the soapbox.

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                phase@lemmy.8th.world
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                #14

                So the system is the reason (or the excuse)?

                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YhP8IXL0t6w

                Side note: is it still valid with the new version which isn’t a new version but worst than the previous? I heard some things are now people.

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                • W wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  Sir, this is a Wendy’s meme community for tabletop RPGs, the most popular of which has explicit good/evil alignment as a game mechanic.

                  You’re not wrong, but this is a weird place for the soapbox.

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                  supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  #15

                  Take offense to my original comment if you like, but people responded and so I elaborated. No one’s forcing you to read the comment thread.

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                  • phase@lemmy.8th.worldP phase@lemmy.8th.world

                    But then who would take a Nazi in their group? Even looking through a fork it feels already so…

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                    susaga@sh.itjust.works
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                    Other Nazis, I guess?

                    And I never said there was a Nazi in the group, I was just listing people who are definitely evil as proof there ARE evil people in general.

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                    • S supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                      Hot take: jails are evil, so someone good would be more interested in rehabilitation

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                      spittingimage@lemmy.world
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                      #17

                      Are we debating the morality of pretending to be a fantasy elf again? Oh good.

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                      • spittingimage@lemmy.worldS spittingimage@lemmy.world

                        Are we debating the morality of pretending to be a fantasy elf again? Oh good.

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                        supernovastar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        #18

                        It might not seem more fun that way, but surprisingly it is.

                        See: BLeeM and how all his BBEGs are actually Capitalism

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