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  • S state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de

    I am happy that trans people can be who they want to be, even if there is still a long way to go. But I am thrown by how statistics, that consistently give numbers of <1% to 3% for transsexual people in the general population, don’t match the number of transitioning stories I read online. I get why that is, safe space, confirmation bias and all, but it’s such a major disconnect between experience and actual numbers that it constantly trips me up. From what I read online, the percentage of trans people feels like it’s around 20-30%. Or, in this case, 50%.

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    atopi
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    According to a survey i have recently done, with answers from people from all 7 continents, over 94% of people are trans

    I tried to get answers from people who were least likely to be closeted to ensure the most accurate data

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    • spicy pancakeJ spicy pancake

      I’ve noticed that a lot of nerdy stuff has been drawing a queer audience with increasing frequency, probably because for whatever reason in the last few years a lot of nerds just seem to have decided to be more queer-welcoming. So it may be mainly correlation at work here

      I got into a nerd friend group before realizing I was queer though and a lot of my queer nerd friends say the same. Dunno what’s up with that

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      frank@sopuli.xyz
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      Definitely part of it. I’m a huge nerd, but years ago raced motorcycles in the US. The demographic makeup difference between that and going to a local MTG event is insane. Seriously, out of hundreds of people at a race track at a time and a decade of doing this I know 2 openly gay people and 0 trans people.

      Not sure you could go into my local MTG shop without seeing that many gay/trans people. It’s lovely, but I think highlights the bias in what hobbies people will lean towards or how honestly they’ll be about themselves depending on the social situation

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      • S state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de

        I am happy that trans people can be who they want to be, even if there is still a long way to go. But I am thrown by how statistics, that consistently give numbers of <1% to 3% for transsexual people in the general population, don’t match the number of transitioning stories I read online. I get why that is, safe space, confirmation bias and all, but it’s such a major disconnect between experience and actual numbers that it constantly trips me up. From what I read online, the percentage of trans people feels like it’s around 20-30%. Or, in this case, 50%.

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        guy
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        Aren’t >95% of people online lurkers? With that in mind, is it really surprising that the amount of trans stories are many? I mean, why would someone post a story about how they’re not trans.

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        • WFHW WFH

          I have no idea if it’s true or not, but sometimes I feel as nerds we are already an out-group and therefore naturally more inclusive and welcoming to fellow nerds regardless of age, gender, sexual orientation, skin color or origin.

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          anarchistartificer@slrpnk.net
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          I would broadly agree with that, with the caveat that prejudice and bigotry can still exist in nerdy spaces, just in a more insidious manner. Specifically, I have seen some communities where they superficially seem accepting, but their position as an outgroup can make people feel uncomfortable with grappling with prejudice in their communities — they look around and notice, for example, that the vast vast majority of people there are white, and then they almost begin grappling with the implications of that (that there may be reasons why people of colour do not feel fully safe or welcome in that space), but then they retreat from that discomfort of that thought and internally insist that everything is fine. They don’t like thinking of themselves as being a part of the privileged in-group when their identity has formed around them being part of the outgroup, so they push it out of mind.

          I don’t say this in a judgemental way, more just to highlight that being genuinely inclusive requires an active, ongoing effort to keep learning and challenging our understanding of things. The complacency that gives rise to bigotry in progressive spaces is understandable, but important to work to overcome

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          • A anarchistartificer@slrpnk.net

            I would broadly agree with that, with the caveat that prejudice and bigotry can still exist in nerdy spaces, just in a more insidious manner. Specifically, I have seen some communities where they superficially seem accepting, but their position as an outgroup can make people feel uncomfortable with grappling with prejudice in their communities — they look around and notice, for example, that the vast vast majority of people there are white, and then they almost begin grappling with the implications of that (that there may be reasons why people of colour do not feel fully safe or welcome in that space), but then they retreat from that discomfort of that thought and internally insist that everything is fine. They don’t like thinking of themselves as being a part of the privileged in-group when their identity has formed around them being part of the outgroup, so they push it out of mind.

            I don’t say this in a judgemental way, more just to highlight that being genuinely inclusive requires an active, ongoing effort to keep learning and challenging our understanding of things. The complacency that gives rise to bigotry in progressive spaces is understandable, but important to work to overcome

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            chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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            The bigotry doesn’t have to be within a group for people to not want to join. They may be uncomfortable joining due to pressure from their friends and family.

            People may also simply not join because they’re not interested. I personally have no interest in going to raves. The music and the drugs have no appeal to me.

            Not saying there’s no bigotry in a particular group. Just that bigotry isn’t the only reason why people don’t join.

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            • S state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de

              I am happy that trans people can be who they want to be, even if there is still a long way to go. But I am thrown by how statistics, that consistently give numbers of <1% to 3% for transsexual people in the general population, don’t match the number of transitioning stories I read online. I get why that is, safe space, confirmation bias and all, but it’s such a major disconnect between experience and actual numbers that it constantly trips me up. From what I read online, the percentage of trans people feels like it’s around 20-30%. Or, in this case, 50%.

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              Chloé 🥕
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              on top of what others have said, cis people don’t really tell the stories of their non-transition, do they

              no one will be like “my DnD group was all men. it’s still all men no one transitioned”, even if it’s probably the most common experience lol

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              • spicy pancakeJ spicy pancake

                I’ve noticed that a lot of nerdy stuff has been drawing a queer audience with increasing frequency, probably because for whatever reason in the last few years a lot of nerds just seem to have decided to be more queer-welcoming. So it may be mainly correlation at work here

                I got into a nerd friend group before realizing I was queer though and a lot of my queer nerd friends say the same. Dunno what’s up with that

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                GreyEyedGhost
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                I think nerdy stuff is attractive to people on the autism spectrum, and while people on the spectrum tend to like consistency, they also have trouble recognizing social norms, let alone following them. So some act that is in large part (from other people’s perspective, at least) a deviation from social norms isn’t that much of a problem to them. And why wouldn’t trans people prefer to be in spaces where people don’t care how they’re living their life? Now, add on that exposure tends to normalize social experiences, and people on the spectrum are already weird in their own way, and the neurotypical people in those nerdy spaces are already used to dealing with weird people. Adding a different flavor of weird isn’t that much of a stretch.

                Or, to put it another way,

                Good God, who’s manning the internet?

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                • A anarchistartificer@slrpnk.net

                  I would broadly agree with that, with the caveat that prejudice and bigotry can still exist in nerdy spaces, just in a more insidious manner. Specifically, I have seen some communities where they superficially seem accepting, but their position as an outgroup can make people feel uncomfortable with grappling with prejudice in their communities — they look around and notice, for example, that the vast vast majority of people there are white, and then they almost begin grappling with the implications of that (that there may be reasons why people of colour do not feel fully safe or welcome in that space), but then they retreat from that discomfort of that thought and internally insist that everything is fine. They don’t like thinking of themselves as being a part of the privileged in-group when their identity has formed around them being part of the outgroup, so they push it out of mind.

                  I don’t say this in a judgemental way, more just to highlight that being genuinely inclusive requires an active, ongoing effort to keep learning and challenging our understanding of things. The complacency that gives rise to bigotry in progressive spaces is understandable, but important to work to overcome

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                  WFH
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                  being genuinely inclusive requires an active, ongoing effort to keep learning and challenging our understanding of things

                  100% agree.

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                    hexarei@beehaw.org
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                    My group started with two guys and three girls. Now I’m one of the girls and the guy is the only one

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                      siethron@lemmy.world
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                      I was in an all guys group but then the DM and 3 of the guys had kids so it ended.

                      I imagine there’s a lower percentage of trans players outside of these online spaces

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                      • B bongles@lemmy.zip

                        Percentages get crazy when you start talking about 8 billion people. 1% is 80 million. If 1% of that found lemmy the active user base would be almost half Trans. (I found around 1.2 million active lemmy users on some website, and 800,000 is 1% of 80,000,000)

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                        balsoft@lemmy.ml
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                        1.2 million active lemmy users

                        There’s no way that’s true. I’d guess there are ~30000 active users on the entire threadiverse. 1.2 million is total registered users ever, across all servers, including spambots and such.

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                        • G guy

                          Aren’t >95% of people online lurkers? With that in mind, is it really surprising that the amount of trans stories are many? I mean, why would someone post a story about how they’re not trans.

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                          mrsemi@lemmy.world
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                          Weird. I started prefacing everything I said in World of Warcraft chat with “I’m not gay, but” and people found it super offensive.

                          I mean, it’s just really important to me as a person that others know I am not gay.

                          I’m not gay btw.

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                            underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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                            #32

                            All my friends got married and now half the table is spouses with a few spots reserved for a cameo from one of the kids

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                            • B balsoft@lemmy.ml

                              1.2 million active lemmy users

                              There’s no way that’s true. I’d guess there are ~30000 active users on the entire threadiverse. 1.2 million is total registered users ever, across all servers, including spambots and such.

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                              bongles@lemmy.zip
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                              Beats me, I didn’t pull the data.

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                              (I struck out “active” from my original comment)

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                              • C cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                1% is 1/100. So not on every bus, but every 2 or 3 busses.

                                Also tend to be poorer, like public transit. So maybe every bus.

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                                Iron Lynx
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                                Ehhh… Where’d that come from?

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                                  Ehhh… Where’d that come from?

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                                  cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  Might just be where trans people spawn if there aren’t any trains nearby. I know straight cis people come in at the DMV sports games and starbucks

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                                  • S state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de

                                    I am happy that trans people can be who they want to be, even if there is still a long way to go. But I am thrown by how statistics, that consistently give numbers of <1% to 3% for transsexual people in the general population, don’t match the number of transitioning stories I read online. I get why that is, safe space, confirmation bias and all, but it’s such a major disconnect between experience and actual numbers that it constantly trips me up. From what I read online, the percentage of trans people feels like it’s around 20-30%. Or, in this case, 50%.

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                                    verdi@feddit.org
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                                    It’s the same bias as cops and black people. The real questions is how that bias came to be while the class struggle is consistently ignored.

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                                    • C cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      Might just be where trans people spawn if there aren’t any trains nearby. I know straight cis people come in at the DMV sports games and starbucks

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                                      Iron Lynx
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                                      How’s this related to the gender ratio in the Dungeons & Dragons community?

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                                        How’s this related to the gender ratio in the Dungeons & Dragons community?

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                                        cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        I think I meant yo reply to a comment about the rarity of trans people relative to how often one hears trans narratives, so I gave context to how often that is. Therefore: straight cis people spawn at starbucks

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                                        • S siethron@lemmy.world

                                          I was in an all guys group but then the DM and 3 of the guys had kids so it ended.

                                          I imagine there’s a lower percentage of trans players outside of these online spaces

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                                          buttnugget@lemmy.world
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                                          Trans people are like 1% of the population, so I’m sure of that.

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