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Tesla Robotaxis Reportedly Crashing at a Rate That's 4x Higher Than Humans

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  • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

    Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

    Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

    The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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    SatansMaggotyCumFart
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    Who insures these things?

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    • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

      Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

      Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

      The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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      itsathursday@lemmy.world
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      Optical recognition is inferior and this is not surprising.

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      • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

        Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

        Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

        The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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        db2@lemmy.world
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        • I itsathursday@lemmy.world

          Optical recognition is inferior and this is not surprising.

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          slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works
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          Yeah that’s well known by now. However, safety through additional radar sensors costs money and they can’t have that.

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          • L lost_my_mind@lemmy.world

            How often are they just bursting into flames for no reason?

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            brgor@lemmy.zip
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            4x as often as a human I’d expect

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            • S slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works

              Yeah that’s well known by now. However, safety through additional radar sensors costs money and they can’t have that.

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              paraphrand
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              just one more AI model, please, that’ll do it, just one more, just you wait, have you seen how fast things are improving? Just one more. Common, just one more…

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                4x as often as a human I’d expect

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                NoForwadSlashS
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                I didn’t realise spontaneous human combustion was still so prevalent!

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                • N NoForwadSlashS

                  I didn’t realise spontaneous human combustion was still so prevalent!

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                  shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
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                  Spontaneous human combustion only occurs if the human is also carrying a Galaxy Note 7 LOL

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                  • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                    Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

                    Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

                    The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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                      ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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                      I mean, people are dying. Including the people who didn’t pay for it. So, kind of a bigger deal than that.

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                      • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                        Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

                        Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

                        The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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                        user28282912
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                        Darwin just getting ever more creative over time.

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                        • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                          Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

                          Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

                          The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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                          betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
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                          They’re 4 times as capable ~of~ ~crashing~ as a human driver. How efficient!

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                          • S slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works

                            Yeah that’s well known by now. However, safety through additional radar sensors costs money and they can’t have that.

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                            halcyoncmdr
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                            I don’t think it’s necessarily about cost. They were removing sensors both before costs rose and supply became more limited with things like the tariffs.

                            Too many sensors also causes issues, adding more is not an easy fix. Sensor Fusion is a notoriously difficult part of robotics. It can help with edge cases and verification, but it can also exacerbate issues. Sensors will report different things at some point. Which one gets priority? Is a sensor failing or reporting inaccurate data? How do you determine what is inaccurate if the data is still within normal tolerances?

                            More on topic though… My question is why is the robotaxi accident rate different from the regular FSD rate? Ostensibly they should be nearly identical.

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                            • S slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works

                              Yeah that’s well known by now. However, safety through additional radar sensors costs money and they can’t have that.

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                              tomalley8342@lemmy.world
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                              Nah, that one’s on Elon just being a stubborn bitch and thinking he knows better than everybody else (as usual).

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                              • S slevinkelevra@sh.itjust.works

                                Yeah that’s well known by now. However, safety through additional radar sensors costs money and they can’t have that.

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                                parzival@lemmy.org
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                                I’m not too sure it’s about cost, it seems to be about Elon not wanting to admit he was wrong, as he made a big point of lidar being useless

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                                • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                                  Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

                                  Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

                                  The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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                                  👍Maximum Derek👍
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                                  They’ll work perfectly as soon as AI space data center robots go to Mars. I’d say a Robovan will be able to tow a roadster from New York to Hong Kong by… probably July. July or November at the latest.

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                                  • T tomalley8342@lemmy.world

                                    Nah, that one’s on Elon just being a stubborn bitch and thinking he knows better than everybody else (as usual).

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                                    ageedizzle
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                                    He’s right in that if current AI models were genuinely intelligent in the way humans are then cameras would be enough to achieve at least human level driving skills. The problem of course is that AI models are not nearly at that level yet

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                                    • S spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works

                                      Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

                                      Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

                                      The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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                                      motruck@lemmy.zip
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                                      Are people getto g wttlements who are involved in a crash sounds like a potential payday with obviously risky odds.

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                                      • A ageedizzle

                                        He’s right in that if current AI models were genuinely intelligent in the way humans are then cameras would be enough to achieve at least human level driving skills. The problem of course is that AI models are not nearly at that level yet

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                                        t156@lemmy.world
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                                        Even if they were, would it not be better to give the car better senses?

                                        Humans don’t have LIDAR because we can’t just hook something into a human’s brain and have it work. If you can do that with a self-driving car, why cut it down to human senses?

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                                        • T t156@lemmy.world

                                          Even if they were, would it not be better to give the car better senses?

                                          Humans don’t have LIDAR because we can’t just hook something into a human’s brain and have it work. If you can do that with a self-driving car, why cut it down to human senses?

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                                          ageedizzle
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                                          I agree it would be better. I’m just saying that in theory cameras are all that would be required to achieve human level performance, so long as the AI was capable enough

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