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Larian Studios defends Valve: Steam's success is deserved

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  • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works

    None of that is what defines a monopoly.

    There’s only one store that matters. They have unthreatened supermajority marketshare. Customers go there by default - sometimes exclusively. Developers can sell there, or they’re basically fucked.

    What you’re concerned about are anti-competitive practices. But some businesses don’t need those, to lack any relevant competition. It can just happen. They didn’t do anything wrong. They’re still monopolies.

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    fleur_@lemmynsfw.com
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    If they’re not doing anything wrong what’s the problem

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    • nuko147@lemmy.worldN nuko147@lemmy.world

      Steam kinda killed gaming piracy for many. Hope they won’t go the Netflix way in the future.

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      fleur_@lemmynsfw.com
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      They did for me, then my cost of living went up along with the cost of games. Now I’ll only buy games that I intend to play multiplayer

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      • F fleur_@lemmynsfw.com

        If they’re not doing anything wrong what’s the problem

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        mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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        Maybe there isn’t one.

        This is what I’m talking about: people think monopoly = bad, so if I say Valve has a monopoly, I must want them burned to the ground. Nah. They’re mostly fine. Having only one good option is precarious, but it is still a good option. For now.

        But they’re still a monopoly. We should say so, because it’s true, and important. It shapes the entire PC gaming market.

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        • Tlaloc_TemporalT Tlaloc_Temporal

          I think you switched to cons without saying.

          I admit I haven’t tried very many, but I think you can launch any steam app “normally” without steam running. If you can find the executable or startup script, you can just point a shortcut to it. Some games will need Steam Services to run, but it’s not blocked or anything.

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          mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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          #156

          There’s a ‘but the bad things’ buried in the middle, desperately wanting a line break.

          I did the same thing initially and tried re-reading it as sass. Especially if “TF2 neglect” was considered positive.

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          • R ryathal@sh.itjust.works

            Honestly 20 different companies would probably suck for the consumer. That’s 20 different storefronts to compare, 20 different libraries to manage, potentially 20 different sets of logins, 20 sources of data breaches. It’s unlikely they would adopt an open standard to allow a shared library. Maybe you have a 21st company that makes a product like heroic launcher. You’d likely run into regionality issues where a particular store is unavailable, so you may not be able to play purchased games. You would have all sorts of odd exclusive dlc and pre order bonuses so a cosmetic item you like could be locked to a store you haven’t used. Multiplayer likely wouldn’t be global cross play between all companies, you likely get some set of 20 companies working together for multiplayer. Some games may develop a good scene available to a single store, requiring a game to be repurchased. Exclusives or timed exclusives would be annoying to track, as each store would likely have different catalogs.

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            Tlaloc_Temporal
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            #157

            I think this amount of competition could be good if individual competitors were allowed to fail. All the parts that build vendor lock-in would need to be removed, and more things would need to be interoperable, but it could be quite good and even specialised.

            Each storefront could live or die independent of each library and each game service. If one company tried to squeeze money from users, they could just take their elsewhere, without worrying about losing access to games or connections to friends.

            Of course no company would create such a system voluntarily, most depend on monopolistic practices to survive. It would take monopoly busting-policy or a foss group to even begin such a thing.

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            • R ryathal@sh.itjust.works

              That’s far to generous to other companies, they were far more like the WiiU.

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              #158

              I was thinking more along the lines of being proud of shit features that consumers despise, to the point it becomes an ad for your main competitor, like the PS4 “how to share a game with a friend” video

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              • Tlaloc_TemporalT Tlaloc_Temporal

                I think this amount of competition could be good if individual competitors were allowed to fail. All the parts that build vendor lock-in would need to be removed, and more things would need to be interoperable, but it could be quite good and even specialised.

                Each storefront could live or die independent of each library and each game service. If one company tried to squeeze money from users, they could just take their elsewhere, without worrying about losing access to games or connections to friends.

                Of course no company would create such a system voluntarily, most depend on monopolistic practices to survive. It would take monopoly busting-policy or a foss group to even begin such a thing.

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                ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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                That would require real ownership which is unlikely to ever happen. Company failures more likely just means loss of any library from them.

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                • Tlaloc_TemporalT Tlaloc_Temporal

                  I think you switched to cons without saying.

                  I admit I haven’t tried very many, but I think you can launch any steam app “normally” without steam running. If you can find the executable or startup script, you can just point a shortcut to it. Some games will need Steam Services to run, but it’s not blocked or anything.

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                  jandrodelsol@lemmy.world
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                  #160

                  they said it but there’s not a paragraph break do it’s easy to miss

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                  • F fleur_@lemmynsfw.com

                    They did for me, then my cost of living went up along with the cost of games. Now I’ll only buy games that I intend to play multiplayer

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                    nuko147@lemmy.world
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                    For me cost of living went up but cost of games down. I mostly play indie games now since i find big AAA games not that interesting with one maybe two exceptions per year.

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                    • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works

                      Maybe there isn’t one.

                      This is what I’m talking about: people think monopoly = bad, so if I say Valve has a monopoly, I must want them burned to the ground. Nah. They’re mostly fine. Having only one good option is precarious, but it is still a good option. For now.

                      But they’re still a monopoly. We should say so, because it’s true, and important. It shapes the entire PC gaming market.

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                      fleur_@lemmynsfw.com
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                      Fair enough

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                      • nuko147@lemmy.worldN nuko147@lemmy.world

                        For me cost of living went up but cost of games down. I mostly play indie games now since i find big AAA games not that interesting with one maybe two exceptions per year.

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                        fleur_@lemmynsfw.com
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                        #163

                        Depends on what games you play. I play lots of studio games and don’t play a lot of indies. Now I just pirate. To paraphrase a wise man “this may or may not technically be legal… But 105aud for a new video game is a straight up crime”

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                        • F fleur_@lemmynsfw.com

                          Depends on what games you play. I play lots of studio games and don’t play a lot of indies. Now I just pirate. To paraphrase a wise man “this may or may not technically be legal… But 105aud for a new video game is a straight up crime”

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                          nuko147@lemmy.world
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                          Yeah, it sucks. A major reason that I abandoned Nintendo’s Switch 2, and returned to PC after playing in Switch for some years. I used to pay 30-50€ for AAA, but they wanted people to jump to 70-80€.

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                          • nuko147@lemmy.worldN nuko147@lemmy.world

                            Yeah, it sucks. A major reason that I abandoned Nintendo’s Switch 2, and returned to PC after playing in Switch for some years. I used to pay 30-50€ for AAA, but they wanted people to jump to 70-80€.

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                            fleur_@lemmynsfw.com
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                            Yeah, from what I’ve heard Nintendo earns their pricetag by making some of the best games you can buy. That being said they are essentially luxury products at this point and just because they’ve earned the pricetag, doesn’t mean I can afford it.

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                            • Tlaloc_TemporalT Tlaloc_Temporal

                              I think you switched to cons without saying.

                              I admit I haven’t tried very many, but I think you can launch any steam app “normally” without steam running. If you can find the executable or startup script, you can just point a shortcut to it. Some games will need Steam Services to run, but it’s not blocked or anything.

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                              Mwa
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                              #166

                              I admit I haven’t tried very many, but I think you can launch any steam app “normally” without steam running. If you can find the executable or startup script, you can just point a shortcut to it. Some games will need Steam Services to run, but it’s not blocked or anything.

                              I think i mentioned this,? but there are Steam games that dont let you use it without having the client open, but yeah there are Steam games that work without the client.

                              I think you switched to cons without saying.

                              Its there but i didnt have a line break.

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                              • M mindbleach@sh.itjust.works

                                There’s a ‘but the bad things’ buried in the middle, desperately wanting a line break.

                                I did the same thing initially and tried re-reading it as sass. Especially if “TF2 neglect” was considered positive.

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                                Mwa
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                                There’s a ‘but the bad things’ buried in the middle, desperately wanting a line break.

                                Thanks for the feedback, i have fixed it

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                                  Larian Studios defends Valve: Steam's success is deserved

                                  While many accuse Valve of monopolising the PC gaming market, others argue that Steam\'s dominance is simply the result of doing things right.

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                                  bitwolf
                                  wrote last edited by bitwolf@sh.itjust.works
                                  #168

                                  Finally someone with a voice said it.

                                  Epic gives so many games away, but their launcher and store are so bad that I don’t even play their free games.

                                  I don’t care if Uni wants to run a store. But forcing me to use their store when I buy the game on steam is pretty af. So I don’t play Ubi games either.

                                  Their shit launcher made the games run worse.

                                  In present day. I dont want to use Windows. So I simply cannot play much if the new games from the other shit companies because they have some vendetta against Proton / Steam Deck.

                                  Now they’re literally doing it to themselves.

                                  If I could testify for Valve as a customer I would.

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                                  • H hailseitan@lemmy.world

                                    Steam’s “most favored nation” contracts with devs explicitly prohibit this

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                                    gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                    And yet it happens

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