I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.

Paul Kater - Antifa

@randahl And we/they should be. I can only hope with 100% power that the ones who can actually do something against that idiot will actually DO SOMETHING and not suck up to DonOld again when the going gets a bit rougher.

I'm always looking for ways to reach politicians and ask them/urge them to act.

Frank Bennett

@randahl They've lost the majority of Americans as well. The only things the junta have going for them at this point is control over instruments of violence and money conduits.

Antti Peltola ⁂

@randahl

I see this as permission finally to do our own thing. If we start self-hosting our own cloud services, then we can tell them to go pound sand when the US inevitably starts to whine about the current account deficit this and other European sovereignty actions will cause.

No hard feelings from me. Without the US resupplying Ukraine through the first three years, they would've run out of munitions.

Cătă 🇷🇴🇺🇦🇲🇩🇪🇺

@randahl I am still hopeful that once his term ends things will return to normal, at least to a certain extent. After all, there's a lot of bad stuff going out in the world right now and democracies gotta stick together to counter them (if the US will remain a democracy, that is).

But I do share this feeling of uncertainty and distrust, even as a Romanian (where us, Romanians, have been more sympathetic towards the US, even during the communist regime). We literally negotiated a visa waiver agreement, it was all set to start in march, last year. Then Trump shat on everything. Then he decided it would be such a wise idea to reduce the number of soldiers, even though there's a war going on right across our border.

I'll start to buy more local and European going forward, at least for the time being.

Rick Воля 🇪🇺

@randahl And it's not just Denmark. The US can fuck off until the Trump regime is behind bars. Then we can talk again.

Projektionsyta

@randahl

This is topped by the sloppy, false allegations that Denmark is a bad ally, and that Nato allies can't be trusted to assist when the US need them. When the Danish body count is the same as the American. I remember seeing Danish Nato vets in Copenhagen after a manifestation, in their uniforms, some in wheelchairs or on crutches, depending on if they had lost one or both legs.

GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@randahl The north remembers

Tarnport

@randahl I have the same sense: irrevocable rupture. I think is it was actually delayed for a long time, through patient hope and maybe also sunk-cost fallacy, at least since the Iraq war. This is just the clear, sad reckoning and admission, the final divorce after having tried to make a bad marriage work for a long time. It may seem sudden to one mate, but the other has had reasons for decades.

GhostOnTheHalfShell

@randahl

Yup. It’s going to be a long time I think before Americans really figure out how much damage has been done. Commercial media platforms aren’t gonna talk about it much and not in any useful detail.

GhostOnTheHalfShell

@Rii_cck @randahl

Conviction cannot just stop it Donald Trump. The billionaires who put him in power and who push this agenda of annexation, so they can have the spoils distributed amongst themselves, they too have to be dealt with.. the way to deal with them is to make billionaires not possible. No one should have that much wealth. The companies that make that level of wealth possible should not be also be possible.

Taxation and antitrust are a necessity

Tarnport

@jgivoni @randahl American here. Please don't be too quick to let Americans as a whole off the hook. There are a lot of people who give lip service to opposition to the administration who have not sacrificed a blessed thing, but sat on a sofa looking at Facebook, and now the chaos they have allowed without opposition at home is spilling onto the world. Americans have not fought and now they want everyone else to fight.

George Saich

@randahl
Maybe a third of them get it, another third think this is what they want because they are in a cult. They don't get that it ends with them drinking purple Kool-aide for their leader.

The final third are in some ways most deplorable - they may get it they don' t care as long as they can afford gas and Combo Meals at the drive through.

This is what 50+ years of underfunding education does.

Peace.

Emile Snyder

@Rii_cck @randahl as a USian I endorse this message.

ImmigrationIsNotACrime

@randahl

I think the rest of the world is very aware of US Imperialsm, and mostly we are thinking, who's next?

🔹 Jakob Givoni

@Tarnport @randahl Sure, not letting anyone of the hook

There are plenty of people to blame both here and there, but I prefer to point to the root actor which is Trump, as it is.
Not sure how productive use of time it is to fight between ourselves.

Mark Shane Hayden

@randahl I think it is a lot for Americans to process, especially the significant majority of them who are not engaged in global affairs. Canadians very much relate to and sympathise with what Denmark is going through right now. The feelings of betrayal and anger and frustration and loss of trust are with respect to the USA are PROFOUND.

I don't think many Americans, regardless of their political leanings, really do understand gow we, and increasingly the rest of the world, perceive their country.

NOT THE PEOPLE...but their country. We mostly feel sorry for the people of the USA.

But they MUST know this: clobbering the GOP in the midterms will not make it better. Electing a new president will not make it better. Y'all elected a FASCIST regime that is rapidly descending into totalitarianism.

Carney is right. This world order is over, and it will take decades for relations with the USA to find a new normal and it will NEVER be the old normal again. Voting won't be enough to fix this it's only a start.

Tarnport

@jgivoni @randahl I'm not disagreeing. And we should not refuse community to anyone who is ready to help push back the evil.

What I am saying however might not sit so well with you: Trump is a symptom, not a cause. That's my opinion as someone who watched it happen over 28 years, from the first time I sat up and said, "omg - oh no." Trump's way was paved.

TrimTab 🇺🇦

@randahl
My take is that Tiels / Musks accelerationist agenda which Vance and Trump are merely executing, will be far more harmful than hitler..

Hitler "only" wanted to kill jews, darks, gays and cripples. Accelerationism wants the same plus everyone else who isn't a billionaire. It seeks a world of absolute societal separation: either abject poverty because you're sub human, or the few who own all that exists to own.

Public seriousness is nowhere near where it should be. They've gamed us.

Mimsybean

@randahl It should not be forgotten. It is a lesson, a sad one. And no, I don't think the vast majority of US Americans know or understand what happened. Perhaps because they're busy trying not to get shot or arrested by the gov't they elected.

C.S.Strowbridge

@randahl

It's the same in Canada and I fear the only way for the US to recover is with extreme measures.

Mass executions.

Trump and his entire administration have to go. The leadership in both houses have to go. State level Republicans who let him on the ballot have to go.

So many people have to go that the next Trump-like person to rise will be killed by their own party to protect they own lives.

It's the only way I will trust the US again and I've talk to many who agree.

Wandering Adventure Party

I don't know if Americans realize what happened between the US and Denmark.