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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

    Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
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    @cstross I like it. It's got legs!

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

      Nonya Bidniss :CIAverified:N This user is from outside of this forum
      Nonya Bidniss :CIAverified:N This user is from outside of this forum
      Nonya Bidniss :CIAverified:
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      @cstross While this idea is quite different, for some reason it reminded me of the Dan Shamble, Zombie P.I. Series by Kevin J. Anderson, which I enjoyed quite a lot & wished there was more of.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

        Philippa CowderoyF This user is from outside of this forum
        Philippa CowderoyF This user is from outside of this forum
        Philippa Cowderoy
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        @cstross You're pretty close to the world of The Craft Cycle and Craft Wars books, ofc

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        • Chao-c'X Chao-c'

          @moira @cstross Actually, almost exactly this idea is behind evolution of term "debt" from "sin". If you read Graeber's Debt: The First 5,000 Years, you kind of feel, that the religions originated exactly from such concept.

          Martin Vermeer FCDM This user is from outside of this forum
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          Martin Vermeer FCD
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          @xChaos @moira @cstross In Dutch even the same word: schuld.

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          • ElectropictE Electropict

            @cstross

            I think we're just about there IRL.

            Someone just needs to pitch it to the VCs and obtainable politicians:

            LLM bots that not only mimic your features, voice and writing style, but also can maintain your legal existence, rights, liabilities and specifically copyrights until the heat death of capitalism.

            There's money to be made, or rather, kept...

            Matthew KenworthyM This user is from outside of this forum
            Matthew KenworthyM This user is from outside of this forum
            Matthew Kenworthy
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            @electropict This is very close to Vernor Vinge's novella "The Cookie Monster" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cookie_Monster_(novella)

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

              Dean L. SurkinD This user is from outside of this forum
              Dean L. SurkinD This user is from outside of this forum
              Dean L. Surkin
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              #51

              @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

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              • Angus McIntyreA Angus McIntyre

                @cstross "The Victorians were onto something with their debtors' prison. So I'd like to introduce you to a little concept we're working on. It's called debtors' Hell …”

                KrukuK This user is from outside of this forum
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                #52

                @angusm @cstross
                Should we ever be able to map individual human consciousness, including memories, completely and accurately from human brains the notion of a "debtor's Hell" could become a reality, at least as far as using human minds as computers for unpaid labour is concerned.

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                  JonO This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #53

                  @cstross only a small step from holding your descendants responsible for your debt, which has been and sometimes still is a thing in the Former US, at least.

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                  • xinit ☕X xinit ☕

                    @cstross
                    That feels familiar, but not sure why. Maybe a short story from some anthology, or something Deathy from Terry Pratchett or Piers Anthony or what's his name that did Sandman.

                    Sam Livingston-GrayG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Sam Livingston-Gray
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                    #54

                    @xinit @cstross Also something from what's his name that did Buffy and Angel. At least one character in the show (and one in the comic) had contracts with Wolfram & Hart that continued post mortem.

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                    • Dean L. SurkinD Dean L. Surkin

                      @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

                      xinit ☕X This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #55

                      @dsurkin Are we all in that now? Or maybe just me?

                      @cstross

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                      • Dean L. SurkinD Dean L. Surkin

                        @cstross Iain M. Banks had a novel ("Surface Detail") about a planet that enforced post-life hell by digitalizing a person's memories and personality and then installing it in a computer-generated sim of hell.

                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Charlie Stross
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                        @dsurkin Yes, I have a signed first edition copy. (It also has a thinly-disguised Elon Musk style entrepreneur who buys up all the bankrupt hells and runs hells as a software service on behalf of their creators.)

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                        • Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE 🔶A Dr Andrew A. Adams #FBPE 🔶

                          @cstross
                          There's something of this in Max Gladstone's Craft sequences.

                          MaxM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @a_cubed @cstross More than a little. The underlying magic system of the series keeps pointing out new ways that *all* of its magic is “just” contract law, even the powers of deities and volcanoes and the weather and…

                          It’s a wild premise that keeps leading to wilder books

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                          • ALFA ALF

                            @cstross

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                            @Astronomy_A2Z @cstross That is basically what happens to me at work wheneverI have had a heavy lunch.
                            A resurrection effort around 1 PM.

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                              Jürgen HubertJ This user is from outside of this forum
                              Jürgen HubertJ This user is from outside of this forum
                              Jürgen Hubert
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                              @cstross

                              This actually pops up in German folklore, and fits with the old Catholic notion that donations made in the name of the dead, or paid masses held in their name, would shorten their time in purgatory.

                              https://wiki.sunkencastles.com/wiki/The_Fire_Mountain

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