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I would like to finally quit YouTube, which will be significant for me in that I'll be severing my last tie to corporate tech.

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  • Default Media TransmitterD Default Media Transmitter

    @alisynthesis
    If you don't know them already from youtube, check out Philosophy Tube and Angela Collier too. They are on Nebula.

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    @defaultmediatransmitter okay, I'm getting kinda geeked about this.

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    • Alison WilderA Alison Wilder

      @defaultmediatransmitter okay, I'm getting kinda geeked about this.

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      @defaultmediatransmitter @alisynthesis Gellar's stuff is all great! i don't really even play video games but his stuff is usually just using games as a way to talk about bigger things (but obv he loves games & generally focuses on them)

      Angela Collier bump!

      Big Joel
      Adam Neely - music!
      Bobby Broccoli
      Lindsay Ellis
      Curious Archive
      Isaac Arthur
      Joe Scott
      Captain Midnight
      Patrick H Willems
      Minute Physics
      Not Just Bikes
      Maggie Mae Fish
      Climate Town

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      • t s r o n oT t s r o n o

        @defaultmediatransmitter @alisynthesis Gellar's stuff is all great! i don't really even play video games but his stuff is usually just using games as a way to talk about bigger things (but obv he loves games & generally focuses on them)

        Angela Collier bump!

        Big Joel
        Adam Neely - music!
        Bobby Broccoli
        Lindsay Ellis
        Curious Archive
        Isaac Arthur
        Joe Scott
        Captain Midnight
        Patrick H Willems
        Minute Physics
        Not Just Bikes
        Maggie Mae Fish
        Climate Town

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        @tsrono @defaultmediatransmitter @alisynthesis

        same. not gaming anymore, but gellar's stuff is so good. i recommend:

        - art for noone
        - fear of big things underwater
        - fear of depths

        he is so good. there are i guess several about lonelyness-feelings as well.

        edit: oh and "games that aren't games"

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        • Kristoffer LislegaardL Kristoffer Lislegaard

          @tsrono @defaultmediatransmitter @alisynthesis

          same. not gaming anymore, but gellar's stuff is so good. i recommend:

          - art for noone
          - fear of big things underwater
          - fear of depths

          he is so good. there are i guess several about lonelyness-feelings as well.

          edit: oh and "games that aren't games"

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          @lislegaard I haven't been gaming too much lately, but he started talking about Death Stranding, and I thought, "now THERE'S a game that would be cool to play!"

          I went to see how much it cost, and lo and behold, I have it in my Steam Library already.

          Instead of taking it as a sign that I might have early onset dementia, I will take it as a sign that Nebula is cool.

          @tsrono @defaultmediatransmitter

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          • Alison WilderA Alison Wilder

            @lislegaard I haven't been gaming too much lately, but he started talking about Death Stranding, and I thought, "now THERE'S a game that would be cool to play!"

            I went to see how much it cost, and lo and behold, I have it in my Steam Library already.

            Instead of taking it as a sign that I might have early onset dementia, I will take it as a sign that Nebula is cool.

            @tsrono @defaultmediatransmitter

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            @alisynthesis @tsrono @defaultmediatransmitter

            positive take

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            • Kristoffer LislegaardL Kristoffer Lislegaard

              @alisynthesis @tsrono @defaultmediatransmitter

              positive take

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              @lislegaard hey, if I have to be delusional to be happy, so be it.

              @tsrono @defaultmediatransmitter

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              • Alison WilderA Alison Wilder

                Holy shit people, my first Nebula video starts with a BANG! It's a video by some guy named Jacob Geller who may or may not be super famous (can't tell b/c there is NO VIEW COUNT!) talking about the first episode of The Twilight Zone.

                You can watch one video without signing up: https://nebula.tv/videos/jacob-geller-the-future-is-an-empty-room

                Seriously, if this is indicative of the Nebula experience, it's exactly what I was looking for.

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                @alisynthesis
                jacob geller is fantastic! you should definitely check out more of his videos

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                • Kristoffer LislegaardL Kristoffer Lislegaard

                  @alisynthesis

                  yeah that's the thing! i just learned about it last week. which is you know, very symbolic of the whole situation.

                  people like you and me should OBVIOUSLY know about it, right? how do we "promote" it?

                  maybe we need to hire some anarchists to pirate everything they find interesting and not slop or ragebait, pirate it and put it on a peertube for us to watch.

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                  @lislegaard @alisynthesis
                  A lot of YT videos end up on archive.org.

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                  • Alison WilderA Alison Wilder

                    @lislegaard hey, if I have to be delusional to be happy, so be it.

                    @tsrono @defaultmediatransmitter

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                    @alisynthesis
                    Delusion seems to work well for most people, so it could work for you too.
                    @lislegaard @tsrono

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                    • t s r o n oT t s r o n o

                      @alisynthesis killed my YT sub just recently, signed up for a year of Nebula (less than half the price iirc).

                      Nebula's good & has a lot of good stuff but it's going to be much, much more narrow than YT, & that's what's killing me... this seems obvious but after a week or two of Nebula-first viewing, i'm still kicking back to YT (now w/ ads!) regularly; for various music stuff, mostly.

                      sigh.

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                      @tsrono @alisynthesis
                      After years of curating the YT algorithm (as best as I practically can), more than half of my Recommended feed is music. Some old, some new.
                      Mostly obscure music from specific genres, on YT channels that rip & upload in good faith. Some of it's also on Bandcamp, but most of it was never reissued since the original (cassette or vinyl) release. Not major label.
                      Until a few years ago, I could stream from these channels for hours at a time. No mid-roll ads, maybe one pre-roll.

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                        @tsrono @alisynthesis
                        After years of curating the YT algorithm (as best as I practically can), more than half of my Recommended feed is music. Some old, some new.
                        Mostly obscure music from specific genres, on YT channels that rip & upload in good faith. Some of it's also on Bandcamp, but most of it was never reissued since the original (cassette or vinyl) release. Not major label.
                        Until a few years ago, I could stream from these channels for hours at a time. No mid-roll ads, maybe one pre-roll.

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                        But anything longer than 8 minutes started getting mid-roll ads, days (even hours) after being uploaded.
                        This doesn't happen automatically; someone has to add a claim on a YouTube video. By doing that, they are claiming rights to the content. There's a high bar on defending against these claims, and copyright trolls are taking advantage of that. Any video with music is "fair game".

                        For the music that's on Bandcamp, I bought what I wanted to keep listening to.

                        For the rest, I installed yt-dlp.

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                          @tsrono @alisynthesis
                          After years of curating the YT algorithm (as best as I practically can), more than half of my Recommended feed is music. Some old, some new.
                          Mostly obscure music from specific genres, on YT channels that rip & upload in good faith. Some of it's also on Bandcamp, but most of it was never reissued since the original (cassette or vinyl) release. Not major label.
                          Until a few years ago, I could stream from these channels for hours at a time. No mid-roll ads, maybe one pre-roll.

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                          @alisynthesis @dec23k it's such a huge resource for so much obscure music, no doubt. i've heard of others like you working the feed to give them good stuff but i imagine that's had diminishing returns over the last couple years - i've seen my feed get better in some ways but worse in others. 🤷‍♂️

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                          • neverbeatenN neverbeaten

                            @alisynthesis
                            I’ve subscribed to Nebula for a year, then let it lapse. There’s some good content on there, but so far they’ve kept it pretty limited/aren’t inviting the creators I’d like to see there. The quality is definitely better than YouTube for what is there.

                            I’m guessing it is probably more effective to subscribe to the Patreon channels that are most interesting to you. But I haven’t used patreon yet.

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                            @neverbeaten @alisynthesis
                            You just reminded me of why I didn't jump at Nebula when I first heard about it (as the sponsor of a YT video from a niche tech video creator): their invite-only policy for creators, which was touted as a feature in most of the Sponsor sections. As in: its not open, but also new creators can't apply to join.

                            If that's how Nebula curates their platform, that's their choice, but it just didn't sit right with me (for some reason that I can't quite put my finger on).

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                              @neverbeaten @alisynthesis
                              You just reminded me of why I didn't jump at Nebula when I first heard about it (as the sponsor of a YT video from a niche tech video creator): their invite-only policy for creators, which was touted as a feature in most of the Sponsor sections. As in: its not open, but also new creators can't apply to join.

                              If that's how Nebula curates their platform, that's their choice, but it just didn't sit right with me (for some reason that I can't quite put my finger on).

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                              @dec23k I can understand how that might feel weird. I will say, though, that I don't generally have a problem with curation, and I honestly kind of yearn for it at this point. I'm interested in how they picked their content creators...but so far I like the results of it.

                              Of course, there should be totally open platforms too! But it's kind of a relief for a human being to decide what I'm looking at instead of an algorithm, with all that that entails.

                              @neverbeaten

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                                @alisynthesis @dec23k it's such a huge resource for so much obscure music, no doubt. i've heard of others like you working the feed to give them good stuff but i imagine that's had diminishing returns over the last couple years - i've seen my feed get better in some ways but worse in others. 🤷‍♂️

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                                @tsrono @dec23k at this point, for me, it's really not about privacy or mental health anymore. I'm doing this despite wanting to see YT videos because I don't want to give money to fascists anymore.

                                I'm definitely not trying to judge people still using it by saying that...I guess I've just reached that point in my personal timeline and understanding of things.

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                                • inpcI inpc

                                  @alisynthesis In the same position here! Everything else is relatively easy to do without (except when *bad people force my into a shared g00gled doc). No answer outside of PeerTube but I hope someone posts some good info we can all benefit from.

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                                  @inpc @alisynthesis
                                  Cryptpad is a good alternative for collaborative documents.

                                  There are many instances out there; https://cryptpad.cz/ is hosted by the @nolog collective, on their own bare metal servers located in Prague.

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                                  • t s r o n oT t s r o n o

                                    @alisynthesis @dec23k it's such a huge resource for so much obscure music, no doubt. i've heard of others like you working the feed to give them good stuff but i imagine that's had diminishing returns over the last couple years - i've seen my feed get better in some ways but worse in others. 🤷‍♂️

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                                    @tsrono @alisynthesis
                                    One of my top channels is In Depth Music, run by a DJ who digs out the most amazing stuff from around the world. Latest upload is a wonderfully weird 1980 Art Punk album by a band from Dusseldorf.

                                    Getting yt-dlp working properly was time well spent; now it extracts audio, saves in the upload format, and splits albums into tracks, with titles if available.

                                    I'm definitely getting diminishing returns, but there is plenty of great music (Bonk and not-Bonk) surfacing on Fedi.

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                                    • Alison WilderA Alison Wilder

                                      @tsrono @dec23k at this point, for me, it's really not about privacy or mental health anymore. I'm doing this despite wanting to see YT videos because I don't want to give money to fascists anymore.

                                      I'm definitely not trying to judge people still using it by saying that...I guess I've just reached that point in my personal timeline and understanding of things.

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                                      @alisynthesis @tsrono
                                      There's definitely signs of a more adversarial approach being taken to the audience with ads on YT now.
                                      I will never pay for Premium.
                                      So, I reject playback a few times until I get either a short pre-roll or none, and if that doesn't work I just skip to the next video that I might want to watch.
                                      Mid-roll ads show up now in almost every video that exceeds 8 minutes, sometimes less than 1 minute in. There are some long-form creators whose videos I just had to stop watching.

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                                      • Alison WilderA Alison Wilder

                                        @dec23k I can understand how that might feel weird. I will say, though, that I don't generally have a problem with curation, and I honestly kind of yearn for it at this point. I'm interested in how they picked their content creators...but so far I like the results of it.

                                        Of course, there should be totally open platforms too! But it's kind of a relief for a human being to decide what I'm looking at instead of an algorithm, with all that that entails.

                                        @neverbeaten

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                                        @alisynthesis @neverbeaten
                                        I'm not against curation; I do it myself!
                                        And wide-open platforms can have their problems.
                                        But the Nebula approach seems to be "don't call us, we'll call you", so I was idly wondering how does their talent spotting work. How do they surface creators worth signing? Maybe they notice the most successful niche channels on YT (and maybe other platforms) by seeing Number Go Up, then cherry-pick those who haven't mentioned Curiosity Stream (or other commercial platforms).

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                                          @alisynthesis @tsrono
                                          There's definitely signs of a more adversarial approach being taken to the audience with ads on YT now.
                                          I will never pay for Premium.
                                          So, I reject playback a few times until I get either a short pre-roll or none, and if that doesn't work I just skip to the next video that I might want to watch.
                                          Mid-roll ads show up now in almost every video that exceeds 8 minutes, sometimes less than 1 minute in. There are some long-form creators whose videos I just had to stop watching.

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                                          @dec23k yeah, I've had a couple of people in the comments section of my YouTube channel talk about how frustrating the ads are now. I haven't seen them in so long that I didn't realize how bad it was getting.

                                          But I'm officially not willing to pay for a premium anymore, either. I also think I can find everything i need in other places, and of course I can still watch YouTube videos in a variety of ways when I absolutely have to (eg home improvement how tos, etc.).

                                          @tsrono

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