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When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

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  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

    singlepennyS This user is from outside of this forum
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    singlepenny
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    @randahl how

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    • singlepennyS singlepenny

      @randahl how

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      @singlepenny @randahl The DSA provides a list of VLOPs (very large online platforms) which have increased reporting requirements. This could be extended to include taxes on revenue generated within the EU.

      Do I have specifics or examples of how to implement this? No, but I’m neither European nor an economic policymaker. It’s well outside my capabilities to even concoct an idea of how to do it.

      Regardless, speaking as an American, it needs to happen. Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Meta, Google, Google, Google, Google, Meta, Microsoft, the business formerly known as Twitter, and Google (multiple duplicates because multiple monopolies under the same parent organization) need to pay their fair share in Europe and the rest of the world. Their power needs to be severely diluted so their control over technology fractures and competitors or open source products can replace them.

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      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

        When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

        Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

        Hit those Zuckerbergs.

        Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸B This user is from outside of this forum
        Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸B This user is from outside of this forum
        Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸
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        @randahl MS, AWS… then all #eu companies and institutions will also start to know their dependencies on #us tech
        (edit: fixed a typo)

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        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

          Ondřej MichálekO This user is from outside of this forum
          Ondřej MichálekO This user is from outside of this forum
          Ondřej Michálek
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          @randahl
          The best retaliation would be to *allow* competition from local companies, namely by scrapping the anti-circumvention provisions of our copyright law. It is an indiscriminate law forbidding infinite number of (otherwise) perfectly legal activities with one’s device that should have never been mandated in the first place. It allows many abuses like monopoly on app distribution, bricking of medical ventilators etc.:

          https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/#the-new-coalition #EndAnticircumvention #RepealArticle6 #BigTech

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          • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

            When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

            Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

            Hit those Zuckerbergs.

            Dave RobinsonD This user is from outside of this forum
            Dave RobinsonD This user is from outside of this forum
            Dave Robinson
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            #7

            @randahl
            100% agree. Fair and legal taxation of digital and online services.

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            • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

              When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

              Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

              Hit those Zuckerbergs.

              CarstenC This user is from outside of this forum
              CarstenC This user is from outside of this forum
              Carsten
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              #8

              @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

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              swggrkllr3rdS C. R. CollinsC J.A. Pipes ✅J João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)J 4 Replies Last reply
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              • Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸B Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸

                @randahl MS, AWS… then all #eu companies and institutions will also start to know their dependencies on #us tech
                (edit: fixed a typo)

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                Paul_stilgar
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                @bigbelgianbopper @randahl

                And these companies need the European money ….

                #boycottusa

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                • CarstenC Carsten

                  @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

                  Link Preview Image
                  swggrkllr3rdS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  swggrkllr3rd
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                  @carsten @randahl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmFVQKfELpE

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                  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                    IlkaI This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Ilka
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                    @randahl and clouds! Besos' dream is to have no more personal computers in households but instead everything in his clouds.

                    Imagine this horror & terror coming true.

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                    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                      JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
                      James
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                      @randahl

                      I've been waiting - hoping - to see the EU ban Twitter. Send a message that no man is too big to get around the EU digital laws.

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                      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                        When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                        Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                        Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                        Poul-Henning KampB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Poul-Henning Kamp
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                        @randahl

                        Also: A really good time to enact the Tobin-Tax.

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                        • Ondřej MichálekO Ondřej Michálek

                          @randahl
                          The best retaliation would be to *allow* competition from local companies, namely by scrapping the anti-circumvention provisions of our copyright law. It is an indiscriminate law forbidding infinite number of (otherwise) perfectly legal activities with one’s device that should have never been mandated in the first place. It allows many abuses like monopoly on app distribution, bricking of medical ventilators etc.:

                          https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/#the-new-coalition #EndAnticircumvention #RepealArticle6 #BigTech

                          Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Charlie Stross
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                          @om @randahl That's valid, too, but it's not an instant solution. (EU corps can't just throw a switch and offer a no-DRM-on-this-tractor-engine product: there are massive startup/R&D costs). Whereas tariffs on use of US big tech *is* a fast smackdown (although there's a secondary chilling effect on the EU companies paying for them).

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                          • singlepennyS singlepenny

                            @randahl how

                            George BG This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @randahl @singlepenny

                            @pluralistic has a bunch of suggestions about removing all of the laws protecting devices from being jail broken that the US has bullied pretty much every country into adding to their books as a start

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                            • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                              When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                              Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                              Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                              bartosz 🚲🌳🐍🦀B This user is from outside of this forum
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                              bartosz 🚲🌳🐍🦀
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                              @randahl massive financial and visibility support to free and open source European alternatives would be just enough

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                              • Poul-Henning KampB Poul-Henning Kamp

                                @randahl

                                Also: A really good time to enact the Tobin-Tax.

                                RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                                RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                                Reg
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                                @bsdphk

                                I've yet to see a time that wasn't!

                                @randahl

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                                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                  When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                  Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                  Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                  Oliver BrandmüllerS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Oliver Brandmüller
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                                  @randahl They made a pilot, but neither could someone make an Excel sheet on the effects, nor could someone present the results with Powerpoint. So nobody knows what they found.

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                                  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                    RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                                    RegR This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Reg
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                                    @randahl

                                    Europe should look to our niece (the USA) for the solution and treat American digital services in the same way that America treated TikTok.

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                                    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                      Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Steve HerseyN This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Steve Hersey
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                                      @randahl
                                      Also, I recommend Cory Doctorow's suggestion to revoke anti-circumvention laws and encourage reverse engineering of digital products. Hits the tech titans in the monopoly, where it will hurt most, and offers economic benefits.

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                                      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                        When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                        Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                        Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                        lemgandiL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        lemgandi
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                                        @randahl

                                        REPEAL ANTI-CIRCUMVENTION LAWS

                                        ". . . if someone threatens to burn your house down unless you follow orders, and then they burn it down anyway, you really don't have to keep following their orders."

                                        ( Cory Doctorow )

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                                        • RegR Reg

                                          @randahl

                                          Europe should look to our niece (the USA) for the solution and treat American digital services in the same way that America treated TikTok.

                                          siderealS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          sidereal
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                                          @ReggieHere @randahl what happened with tiktok in the USA was that Trump started to criticize it, then Biden started legislation against it because he did whatever Trump wanted. Trump used this as an example of how Biden was out of touch and aping him, and then by the time the legislation passed, Trump was in power again and used “bringing back Tiktok” as some propaganda victory. I don’t know why you would want to emulate anything about this but go for it.

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