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Why LLMs can't handle everyday social etiquette in Persian:

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  • Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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    Why LLMs can't handle everyday social etiquette in Persian:

    Reading between the lines, this is a really good caution for any diplomats who are thinking of firing their interpreters and replacing them with "AI".

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Why LLMs can't handle everyday social etiquette in Persian:

      Reading between the lines, this is a really good caution for any diplomats who are thinking of firing their interpreters and replacing them with "AI".

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      When “no” means “yes”: Why AI chatbots can’t process Persian social etiquette

      New study examines how a helpful AI response could become a cultural disaster in Iran.

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      Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)

      Stewart RussellS This user is from outside of this forum
      Stewart RussellS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @cstross I'm sure it does a great job on the Scottish "Aye, right", too

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        @cstross I'm sure it does a great job on the Scottish "Aye, right", too

        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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        @scruss I'm pretty sure they don't react appropriately to the Scottish use of "cunt" as a term of affection (most of the time), either.

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Why LLMs can't handle everyday social etiquette in Persian:

          Reading between the lines, this is a really good caution for any diplomats who are thinking of firing their interpreters and replacing them with "AI".

          Link Preview Image
          When “no” means “yes”: Why AI chatbots can’t process Persian social etiquette

          New study examines how a helpful AI response could become a cultural disaster in Iran.

          favicon

          Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)

          SkjeggtrollS This user is from outside of this forum
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          @cstross

          "AI models tend to generate responses like "Thank you! I worked hard to afford it," which is perfectly polite by Western standards, but might be perceived as boastful in Persian culture."

          Perfectly polite by western standards? Wouldn't a response like that come across as at least slightly braggadocious throughout much of Europe as well?

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            @cstross

            "AI models tend to generate responses like "Thank you! I worked hard to afford it," which is perfectly polite by Western standards, but might be perceived as boastful in Persian culture."

            Perfectly polite by western standards? Wouldn't a response like that come across as at least slightly braggadocious throughout much of Europe as well?

            Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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            @skjeggtroll Yup, that article was CLEARLY written by a whitebread American who doesn't understand that boasting comes across as arrogant braggadocio in most cultures, including plenty of western ones.

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Why LLMs can't handle everyday social etiquette in Persian:

              Reading between the lines, this is a really good caution for any diplomats who are thinking of firing their interpreters and replacing them with "AI".

              Link Preview Image
              When “no” means “yes”: Why AI chatbots can’t process Persian social etiquette

              New study examines how a helpful AI response could become a cultural disaster in Iran.

              favicon

              Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)

              Joan-to-Debt Ratio 😷C This user is from outside of this forum
              Joan-to-Debt Ratio 😷C This user is from outside of this forum
              Joan-to-Debt Ratio 😷
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              @cstross Ahahahaa - is this article about taarof??

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              • Joan-to-Debt Ratio 😷C Joan-to-Debt Ratio 😷

                @cstross Ahahahaa - is this article about taarof??

                Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                @clickhere Yup! LLMs can't cope with it. (I suspect they can't parse self-deprecating humour or irony either.)

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Why LLMs can't handle everyday social etiquette in Persian:

                  Reading between the lines, this is a really good caution for any diplomats who are thinking of firing their interpreters and replacing them with "AI".

                  Link Preview Image
                  When “no” means “yes”: Why AI chatbots can’t process Persian social etiquette

                  New study examines how a helpful AI response could become a cultural disaster in Iran.

                  favicon

                  Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)

                  redsakanaR This user is from outside of this forum
                  redsakanaR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @cstross To be fair I think "AI translation is fine" is largely an extension of the "English gets you by everywhere because globalization" pathology pushed by European governments and businesses for cost-saving and/or neoliberal-ideology reasons for several decades.

                  A friend works for an export-promotion agency that helps European companies establish a presence in East Asian countries, and has had quite a few stories to tell about SMEs losing their shirts going in on their own with that attitude, even in the supposedly-highly-law-abiding democracies.

                  There's a cottage industry of dudes whose only skill is to speak fluent English with American sports idioms that the CEO class loves. They wine and dine idiot managers coming over who have no idea about local language/markets/customs, throw in sports talk to convince them that they are huge players in local business networks and getting the furriner's products to market is going to be a slam dunk, feed glowing fake reports to string along the current victim, and then use the consulting fees to acquire new marks.

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