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Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

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  • Madeleine MorrisR Madeleine Morris

    @cstross
    But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.

    But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.

    Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.

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    @Remittancegirl @cstross we all cried.

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

      Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

      RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

      (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

      Manny DexterM This user is from outside of this forum
      Manny DexterM This user is from outside of this forum
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      @cstross @lauren

      The thing is, these people were vaccinated as children.

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      • Jérémy PagèsJ Jérémy Pagès

        @cstross Reminder that in industrialized countries, for some diseases, mortality had already dropped before vaccines were even a thing.

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        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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        @jpages Massive public education campaigns and immediate isolation of outbreak patients put the brakes on. As did better living conditions (it's hard to isolate in a slum with eight people sleeping to a room; also hard to isolate when there are ten kids in a family).

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        • TarnportT Tarnport

          @Remittancegirl @cstross we all cried.

          Madeleine MorrisR This user is from outside of this forum
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          Madeleine Morris
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          @Tarnport I apologise. That was not my intention. @cstross

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            @arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

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            @cstross No, put them where they want to be. Greenland.

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            • Madeleine MorrisR Madeleine Morris

              @Tarnport I apologise. That was not my intention. @cstross

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              @Remittancegirl @cstross not at all. It is an incredible, personal story, and was the best kind of cry in honoring it. It convinces us on even more personal and emotional terms that RFKjr is wrong and the damage is going to kill people. Our stories are important! And I thank you for telling this one.

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              • TarnportT Tarnport

                @Remittancegirl @cstross not at all. It is an incredible, personal story, and was the best kind of cry in honoring it. It convinces us on even more personal and emotional terms that RFKjr is wrong and the damage is going to kill people. Our stories are important! And I thank you for telling this one.

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                @Tarnport You are most welcome. Remembering her is always very bitter sweet for me. @cstross

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                  Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                  RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                  (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

                  MelissaM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @cstross Ironically, this is going to be that white genocide that previously existed only in their broken little minds. Just like the cabal of paedophiles, the corrupt swamp, and fascist leaders coming to power it was projection all along.

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                  • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                    @morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross These people lived in gold encrusted marble palaces, wore the finest clothing, never lacked for a warm fire and ate the best foods and had the best doctors of their era. It didn't save any of them. What would have saved them are a series of inexpensive, widely available childhood immunizations with extremely high safety profiles.

                    Dr. Professor Fred RococoM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Dr. Professor Fred Rococo
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                    @Infoseepage @suzannealdrich @cstross I binged through the @empirepoduk podcast, haven't finished it, but listened to 150+ episodes. It's good.

                    There was a fascinating one where a British woman brought the concept and technology of #smallpox #inoculation home with her from #Turkey...

                    Here it is:

                    'She was a pioneering scientist, proto-feminist, and letter writer extraordinaire. Lady Mary Wortley Montagu escaped a marriage to Clotworthy Skeffington to become one of history's most incredible women. Listen this week as William and Anita are joined by Katie Hickman to tell the tale of her life.'

                    'Clotworthy Skeffington,' I think that might be my next fake name.

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                    • Manny DexterM Manny Dexter

                      @cstross @lauren

                      The thing is, these people were vaccinated as children.

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                      @MannyDexter that's what amazes me also, that fully vaccinated people now oppose it. They all need 'it's a wonderful life' moments.
                      @cstross @lauren

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                        Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                        RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                        (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                        @cstross My stepfather had polio. As a child he spent a year in isolation, thinking he would die. For the rest of his life he has had a hunched back and almost no use of his left arm and hand. He would tell you he was one of the lucky ones.

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                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                          RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                          Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                          RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                          (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

                          TimoT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Timo
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                          @cstross callous and selfish people like the MAHA folks need callus and selfish responses. Its all they understand. One such response in the 'my tax dollars range' : It is my tax dollars they are wasting. Why should my tax dollars pay to treat you when you could have been vaccinated? My tax dollars paid for that vaccine, why are you wasting it. Its not the government, it's my tax dollars. Etc blah blah.

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                            Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                            RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                            (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                            FediThing 🏳️‍🌈
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                            @cstross

                            The lifelong effects of polio on survivors are particularly awful. One wouldn't want to inflict it on a worst enemy, let alone your own kids.

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                              Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                              RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                              (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                              @cstross I wonder when the rest of the world will start requiring USians to have proof of vaccination before entering the country

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                                Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                                RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                                (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                                @cstross RFucK Jr is a pedophile-protecting infanticider.

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                                  Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                                  RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                                  (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

                                  GraydonG This user is from outside of this forum
                                  GraydonG This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Graydon
                                  wrote last edited by
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                                  @cstross If you want to reverse the demographic transition, you have to kill a lot of infants.

                                  If you don't reverse the demographic transition, patriarchy goes away.

                                  ("The environment produces the organism" is always the case; other things are the case, too, but what you can have is constrained by the environment which exists, not which could exist. And for humans, cites are an environment and culture is an environment.)

                                  Anti-vax is a "kill babies, keep patriarchy" movement.

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                                  • GraydonG Graydon

                                    @cstross If you want to reverse the demographic transition, you have to kill a lot of infants.

                                    If you don't reverse the demographic transition, patriarchy goes away.

                                    ("The environment produces the organism" is always the case; other things are the case, too, but what you can have is constrained by the environment which exists, not which could exist. And for humans, cites are an environment and culture is an environment.)

                                    Anti-vax is a "kill babies, keep patriarchy" movement.

                                    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Charlie Stross
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                                    @graydon So, a death cult.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      @graydon So, a death cult.

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                                      @cstross Not precisely; they're not about generalized dying, they're willing to kill a lot of kids to maintain their status.

                                      Can't enjoy that status if they're dead.

                                      (Real death cults tend to be powerless people who want everyone to die as a means of escaping their circumstances. There's certainly some death cult members getting sucked into the grift but even those are mostly built on histrionics about a lack of white supremacy rather than material misery as such.)

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                                      • GraydonG Graydon

                                        @cstross Not precisely; they're not about generalized dying, they're willing to kill a lot of kids to maintain their status.

                                        Can't enjoy that status if they're dead.

                                        (Real death cults tend to be powerless people who want everyone to die as a means of escaping their circumstances. There's certainly some death cult members getting sucked into the grift but even those are mostly built on histrionics about a lack of white supremacy rather than material misery as such.)

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                                        @graydon @cstross

                                        They're aligned with all the other anti-human movements on the right (anti immigration, forced birth, fuck everything to fulfil the prophesies in Revelations, cops do murders whenever they like, healthcare for profit, prisons for profit) so death cult is a convenient shorthand.

                                        Whenever a new policy question comes up that hasn't been assigned to Woke or MAGA yet, MAGA will pick the option with more death a statistically significant amount of the time.

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                                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                          RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                                          Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                                          RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                                          (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                                          @cstross

                                          #Polio:

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